The Avalanche Hour Podcast

• Deep Slabs and Decision-Making – A Legacy of Safety with Chris Stethem and Grant Statham (Part 2)

  Episode Overview In this second part of their conversation, Chris Stethem and Grant Statham dig deeper into the evolving world of avalanche safety, focusing on how decision-making frameworks and advanced communication practices have reshaped the industry. They begin by exploring the development of InfoEx, reflecting on how the system has grown over time and identifying areas for potential improvement. This discussion naturally segues into Chris’s early days as an avalanche consultant, laying the groundwork for the professionalization of avalanche research and the formation of new training programs. As the episode progresses, Chris and Grant share insights on how the CAA Level 3 Course came into being, noting the considerable skill set and qualifications now required to enroll in higher-level avalanche education. They highlight the rising standards for certification in various avalanche-related jobs, emphasizing how worker safety has driven regulatory changes and communication strategies designed to put people in safer positions on the mountain. Bringing their vast experience to bear, Chris and Grant examine spatial variability in different types of terrain, describing how certain slopes may foster specific avalanche problems. They delve into the tension between scientific assessments, practical experience, and the uncertainties that can influence life-and-death decisions in avalanche terrain. Their stories illustrate how collaboration, mentorship, and continually evolving best practices have shaped modern avalanche safety and will continue to do so. Key Topics Covered • InfoEx Evolution – The origins, growth, and potential improvements of this critical data-sharing tool • Early Avalanche Consultancy – How initial consulting efforts opened doors for professional research • Birth of the CAA Level 3 Course – The skill set, accomplishments, and certification pathways crucial for advanced avalanche work • Raising the Bar for Worker Safety – How advocacy, regulation, and improved communication led to better safety policies • Spatial Variability & Avalanche Types – Linking different slopes to specific avalanche risks and managing uncertainty in dynamic conditions Crew • Host: Dom Baker • Guests: Chris Stethem and Grant Statham • Producer: Cameron Griffin Sponsors • Wyssen: www.wyssen.com • OpenSnow: www.opensnow.com • Gordini: www.gordini.com • Raide Reaserch: www.raideresearch.com Music by Gravy • Lost My Voice

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• Deep Snow, Deeper Lessons – The Origins of Avalanche Safety with Chris Stethem and Grant Statham (Part 1)

  Episode Overview In this first part of a two-episode series, The Avalanche Hour Podcast features an in-depth conversation with avalanche industry legends Chris Stethem and Grant Statham. These two have dedicated their lives to advancing avalanche safety, education, and research, and their collective impact has shaped how we think about risk management in snow-covered terrain. The episode begins with the Granduc Mine Avalanche incident in Canada, a pivotal event that underscored the critical need for better risk assessment and communication systems. From there, Chris and Grant explore the origins of avalanche safety practices during the early “cowboy” days, where trial and error led to life-saving lessons. Listeners will also hear about: • Defining avalanche scales and aspects to improve communication and ensure messages reach diverse audiences effectively. • The snowpack evolution of the 1976-77 winter, where facets became prominent, and the impacts of climate change began to show. • A terrifying near-miss at a FIS ski race, where an avalanche ran into coaches, illustrating the gaps in early avalanche response planning. • The development and introduction of avalanche beacons, from professional use to their eventual adoption by recreational users. • Spatial planning for avalanche paths, with lessons drawn from Utah’s structural defenses and how they informed better land-use decisions. Chris and Grant also reflect on how communication methods have evolved over time, emphasizing the importance of tailoring messages to the audience—whether professionals or recreational backcountry travelers—to ensure safety in avalanche terrain. This episode sets the stage for an enlightening second part, where they’ll dive deeper into modern advancements, risk management techniques, and more. Resources & Links Mentioned • Wyssen Avalanche Control • OpenSnow • Gordini • Raide Research Crew • Host: Dom Baker • Guests: Chris Stethem & Grant Statham • Producer: Cameron Griffin Sponsors • Wyssen Avalanche Control • OpenSnow • Gordini • Raide Research Music by Gravy • Song: Lost My Voice

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• From Horses to Horizons: Liz King’s Avalanche Education Journey

  Episode Overview In this engaging episode, host Jason Antin dives into a captivating conversation with Liz King, a renowned leader in avalanche education and mountain safety. Liz shares her unique journey from her unexpected beginnings in Houston, Texas, to becoming a key figure in the avalanche education world. As the Avalanche Program Director for both the American Avalanche Institute (AAI) and the Colorado Mountain School (CMS), Liz oversees comprehensive avalanche programming, from recreational courses to professional certifications. Liz’s story begins with a love for the mountains that led her to the University of Montana, where she first discovered her passion for the outdoors. Her career started with horse packing at NOLS, transitioned to ski patrolling, and grew into a prominent role as an avalanche educator and guide. Liz reflects on her path, discussing the evolving landscape of avalanche education, the challenges of managing large-scale programs, and the importance of mentorship in outdoor leadership. This episode offers deep insights into Liz’s professional evolution, her perspective on student engagement, and the advancements in avalanche safety technology. Jason and Liz discuss the shifting demographics of avalanche education students, the balance between recreational and professional training, and Liz’s personal goals as she navigates her leadership roles. The conversation also highlights Liz’s reflections on mentorship, her passion for empowering the backcountry community, and her dedication to maintaining personal connections in the mountains. With humor and authenticity, Liz shares her “personal disaster flags” (PDFs), her thoughts on the role of mentorship in her career, and her excitement for skiing in new mountain ranges every year. Whether you’re a seasoned avalanche educator or new to the backcountry world, this episode is packed with valuable insights, inspiration, and a glimpse into the mind of a true mountain professional. Resources & Links Mentioned • American Avalanche Institute (AAI): www.avalancheinstitute.com • Colorado Mountain School (CMS): www.coloradomountainschool.com • American Avalanche Association (A3): www.avalanche.org • Bridger-Teton Avalanche Center: www.jhavalanche.org Crew • Host: Jason Antin • Guest: Liz King • Producer: Caleb Merrill and Cameron Griffin Sponsors • Wyssen: www.wyssen.com • OpenSnow: www.opensnow.com • Gordini: www.gordini.com • Beacon Guidebooks: www.beaconguidebooks.com  Music by Age Diamante: • Chill Pah

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• Layers of Life and Learning: Lessons from the Mountains with Josh Hirshberg

  In this compelling episode, Brooke sits down with Josh Hirshberg, a veteran avalanche forecaster and educator with nearly two decades of experience in the snow safety world. Currently forecasting for the Northwest Avalanche Center (NWAC), Josh dives into his journey through the avalanche industry, from early internships in Aspen to forecasting in Washington’s Cascades. Josh shares captivating insights about the notable February 2021 avalanche cycle in Washington, the challenges of persistent weak layers, and the importance of mentorship and collaboration. He also reflects on personal growth, balancing creative pursuits like photography and art, and how grief has shaped his perspective on the mountains and life. Resources & Links Mentioned • Northwest Avalanche Center (NWAC): www.nwac.us Crew • Host: Brooke Maushund • Guest: Josh Hirshberg • Producer: Cameron Griffin (@backcountrycam) Sponsors • Wyssen: www.wyssen.com • Arva: www.arva-equipment.com • OpenSnow: www.opensnow.com • Gordini: www.gordini.com • Safeback: www.safeback.com • Beacon Guidebooks: www.beaconguidebooks.com 🎶 Music by Ketsa: • Yellowish • Snowing in Spring • Anons

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• Fat skis are a risk management tool and other Goldie Nuggets: Sara Boilen x Larry Goldie

  In this episode of the Avalanche Hour Podcast, host Dr. Sara Boilen interviews Larry Goldie.  Larry is an IFMGA licensed mountain guide and co-owner/lead guide for North Cascades Mountain Guides.  He has been the snow safety director and heli ski guide for North Cascades Heli since 2005.  Larry works on the AMGA instructor team, and teaches pro and recreational avalanche courses.  Sara and Larry discuss the challenges women face in the guiding and avalanche education fields, the importance of effective communication in guiding, and share personal experiences and lessons delivered in the arena.   Larry emphasizes the need for clear, concise communication and the value of maintaining options in decision-making while navigating the complexities of the backcountry. In this conversation, Larry shares a harrowing personal experience of surviving an avalanche, emphasizing the critical importance of clear communication and the dangers of mitigated speech in high-risk situations. He discusses the psychological factors that lead to downplaying risks and the need for honest assessments of danger in backcountry skiing. The conversation also highlights the value of debriefing to learn from experiences and improve decision-making in uncertain environments. ⁠⁠⁠Fill out our Listener Survey for the chance to win a gift card from Gordini and a pack from Arva! Support for this episode was provided by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Wyssen Avalanche Control⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Gordini⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠OpenSnow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: use code avalanche50 for 50% off of your all-access subscription IPA Collective

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