Love Music More (with Scoobert Doobert)

Modern music careers are BROAD. No one exemplifies that better than Carey Clayton, a producer, songwriter, composer, multi-instrumentalist, touring musician, and artist.
He’s written #1 songs in China, composed for The Simpsons and Love Island, toured with Jay Som and Great Good Fine Ok, built sample packs for Splice, and releases his own music as Carey Clayton, Fore Fader, and Modern Olympia.
It all feeds in like streams (pun intended) into the river!
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Going down that path. What the song wanted. Ear wanders. Disciplined to that. The new thing. Tons of types of different music. Both sides are beautiful. People on the edge of their seat. Adds to the overall vibe. A real musical family. A real musical family. Made some stuff up. Really incredible. That’s the point. The magical places. For sure. Transcribing. Building that community. Music as a universal language. Sit in a room and tinker. The thing to do. Based on memory. It’s somewhere in there. Learning production. That situation. Technical chops. Over time. So funny. Feeling something. Versions of that all around. To achieve something. Speak through music. Like find that. Off the cuff. The types of songs. All the time. Creates it own vibe. Real cerebral level. Practical. The energy. A different beat. Just be there. Genres, tones, styles. Something juicy. Mental hoops. Keep vamping. Panmusical. Any situation. So tapped in. Very unique different things. Close enough, and maybe it’s cooler. Totally. Both at the same time. Find so interesting. Being open. The most capable. A semi-long-winded answer. Career moves. That’s awesome. Nuanced. Oh wow. Other noise. To produce. All things music. Being amongst great musicians. About a timing. Able to react. Can make it funny. Really nice. Explore music through. Beared fruit. The group of songs. A world of music. Instantly just felt an affinity. Pretty eclectic mix of sounds. An essence. The will. Technical stuff. Going to start to morph. Hear the things. Captivating enough. Different iterations. The whole point. A certain type of record. How music can go. Coming back to that. Doing a thing. An ethos. In the moment. Express artistically. Stuff like that. The song wants to be what the song wants to be. Pulling from something. Specific tones of instruments. It can be so wide open. Hold hands. To listen to. That’s happening. Creates a sound. The variety of music. Ethnomusicology. Group energy going on. Definitely a balance. Very knowledgable. Quite a bit. Breathing. An album or a collection. Artistic cohesion. Pretty much. Relieving. The through-line on music. Really cool seeing. Soul and stank on it. Play it again. Always something redeemable. 🌅
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Last episode, we talked about babies. Now let's point the science at monkeys. Do monkeys have rhythm? And, are they good coworkers?
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Organizing the pattern. Bold entrances. About the rhesus macaw. Pretty cool. The sound of prosody. Swum in the fishbowl. The palette to influence emotion. A deep brain development phase. The interesting finding. Essentially anticipating the next step of music. A big moment. Soaked in the culture. Something being pleasant. A fundamental auditory thing going on. The ordered sound that becomes music. Some amount of rhythm. Very different ears. Predisposition for music. Expectations built. The timbral things, the texture things. Neural sensitivity. At least the ability. Signs of organization. Speech rhythms. Tension and release. Because it’s pleasant. Different rhythmic patterns. In terms of musical expectation. Something to dance to. Showed timing. Fun to at least think about. Vocabulary. About rhythm. Factory default setting. Downbeats. Building a statistical representation of sound. Speech continues. Crack the door in an interesting direction. To unexpected timing and unexpected pitch. Greater brain activity. Everything recurring including the heartbeat. Assess that. Ordered frequencies over time. The bone flutes. 🪈
Sources:
Rajendran et al. (2025), “Monkeys have rhythm.”
PubMed, Monkeys have rhythm
Bianco et al. (2024), “Neural encoding of musical expectations in a non-human primate.”
PubMed, Neural encoding of musical expectations in a non-human primate
Izumi (2000), “Japanese monkeys perceive sensory consonance of chords.”
PubMed, Japanese monkeys perceive sensory consonance of chords
Koda et al. (2013), Campbell’s monkeys and consonance preference.
PubMed, Campbell's monkeys do not prefer consonant over dissonant sounds
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A new study this year studied babies aged 0-2 days. Can they predict music even at that age? And what does that mean about music itself?
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Vague blobs. In terms of language. Out of the scale. Acoustic variables. An intent, a discernible thing. Can keep going further. Things like that. Improvise along. React to surprise. One of the coolest art forms ever. A waterfall or something like that. Estimations. Musical context. Little unexpected. Monophonic. In an expected way. Building blocks or abstraction. Hear these differences. Some science behind it. The combination over time. The structured sense of musical vocabulary. That cultural expectation. Use the musical context. A universal language for humanity. A universal language for humanity. Things like that. To do a music study. Communicate in some ways. Formed expectations about musical rhythm and melody. Consonance. These other things. The act of living inside of music. Just scrambled. In real time. Play in rhythm. In the same sense. Stronger neural responses. The art form of sound and expectation. Since day zero. 🐣
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Do "good" chords exist? What about "bad" chords? If they did, how we would we know? In this pod, I consider the case of the Tsimane’, an Indigenous people living in the Bolivian Amazon, who have a surprising lesson to teach Western music.
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A different conceptualization. The psychological response to music. Something to it. It can expand. A new sort of temperament. Brought headphones. The difference in the sound. A cultural relative isolation kind of exercise. Different levels. Not necessarily just a time capsule. Songs that carry stories. For musical effect, for a purposeful thing. At the fishbowl. Can be useful. A growing preference. Different types of sounds. Part of thing cool thing. Distinct tones. Awesome. All at the exact same time. Pretty and alluring. The clean idea. Makes a note or a chord interesting. Give an ensemble the ability to pick. Changing and adapting. Can be really cool. That surprising result. Can learn stuff. Incredible variation. A bunch of ratios. A mirror perhaps. In tune. Perfectly imbalanced. Edge cases. Cultural lens. The music of the spheres. What it is to make music. It just is. Being open to that. Pleasant. A remarkably different psychoacoustical response. The fancy music theory word. The context. A push and pull. Reachable via canoe. 🛶
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Groove is one of the most elusive parts of music, but it defines genre and often success. Why does some music feel good? Why do some bassists and drummers "lock"? And why is it so much harder than just clicking "quantize" on the computer?
I think the secret to music's next phase is in the phase shift. AI isn't going anywhere, so we need to add more humanity to the human music. It's a weird future, but I believe in the funk.
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Pulls it all together. This combination. Shuffle and reengage. Intuitive ability. Contributes to groove. Cluster chords. That happens often. To navigate. The coolest moments in a song. Frame of reference. Moves in this way. A predictive set. In and out. Of feel, of timing. To participate. That relational setup. Virtuosic. All connected. Tip that wave. The phase relationship. Dance between. By a foil nature. Creates an energy. That coastal breeze. Give and take. Behind the beat. Sounds kind of beautiful. Around the strings. What the word. Their temporal location. A better conversation. Alternates between. That perceptual center. Intuitively feel. Layer in. Key learning. About perception. It can work. Art and science. Relational. An interesting reminder. There’s the onset, there’s the moment. All of a sudden. In the flow of things. The weird things. A reasonable response. Their best. A version. Feels better. To the given instrument. The mechanics of a pick. Not just timing. To that predictive capability and the conversational capability. On the record. Variation. Creating a groove together. Any of the things. All it is. What actually is going on. A respectful manner. Little things. The transient quality. A bowed string. Crazy thing. Part of the groove. Pretty cool. Energy required. Combined. Make the groove. The kind of thing. Layering on. Note is played. Room to do this. Playing together. Make music. A team sport. That push pull. Footwork. That gap. That idea. Need to interplay. Sense of being. Faster than reaction time. Ebbing and flowing. A game. Harmonic series. The impression of energy. Align them. That perceptual version. Think about it. Listen to each other. Trust your ears. Like a basketball team. 🏀
Sources mentioned in this episode:
⁠Large & Jones on Dynamic Attending Theory⁠
⁠Danielsen et al. on perceptual centers and perceived timing
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