Web3 with Sam Kamani

EPISODE DESCRIPTION 
In this episode, I sit down with David Lucatch, co-founder of nGRND, a project doing something I had never seen before: tokenizing gold that stays in the ground, untouched. David walks me through how preserved gold works, why leaving gold in the earth can actually be more valuable than mining it, and how the nGRND protocol rewards participants in stablecoins rather than native tokens, a design choice that changes everything. We also dig into how they hit over 288,000 verified users and 145,000 daily active users in just 70 days, the role of dynamic soulbound tokens in keeping bots out, and what David’s 30-plus years across e-commerce, AI, and TradFi have taught him about building things that last. Since our conversation, the nGRND Gold Protocol’s numbers have continued to explode: as of October 2026, they’re running past 310,000 participants with over 6.6 million ecosystem activities completed.
If you are a founder, a Web3 builder, or just someone curious about where gold and real-world assets are heading, this one is packed with insight.
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 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 
• [00:00] Introduction to David Lucatch and what nGRND is building at the intersection of gold and Web3
• [02:05] David's background: building Canada's first e-commerce payment gateways, launching an AI platform in 2010 with 200M monthly active users, and multiple exits
• [05:12] What is preserved gold (in situ gold) and why leaving gold in the ground creates economic value without environmental destruction
• [06:31] How nGRND verifies gold using industry-standard reports like Canada's National Instrument 43-101 and equivalent Jorc reports
• [08:44] Why nGRND values in-ground gold at 10% of spot price and the risk analysis behind that number
• [10:13] The difference between the nGRND Gold Token (virtual asset tied to gold value) and the nGRND Gold Protocol (rewards platform paid in stablecoins)
• [11:39] How the land above the gold generates revenue through avoided mining, solar farms, wind farms, and farming partnerships , feeding the rewards pool
• [13:02] Why paying rewards in stablecoins instead of native tokens reduces sell pressure and creates a more sustainable ecosystem
• [16:05] How nGRND reached 288,000 verified users and 145,000 daily active users in just 70 days
• [16:53] What verified means: dynamic soulbound tokens, triple opt-in verification, and bot reduction strategies
• [20:44] How dynamic soulbound tokens work, why they are non-transferable, and how they gate access to ecosystem programs
• [24:50] The eight participation streams: games, learning, impact programs, wellbeing, referrals, advocacy, agent programs, and governance
• [27:22] Why 30% of users come from North America and airdrop hunters are almost non-existent in the nGRND ecosystem
• [33:27] Token timeline: gold protocol white paper live now, gold token white paper expected by end of year, token sale and exchange listings coming soon
• [36:47] Macro gold outlook: from $359 at the birth of the internet to Goldman Sachs projecting $5,400 , and why long-term gold trends upward
• [39:07] How putting gold on-chain unlocks borrowing, lending, and digital transfer use cases
• [43:13] The biggest challenge ahead: changing attitudes in a 40-year-old industry and building a trusted brand for the long term

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In this episode, I sit down with Ian from CoinRoutes, recorded live at Token 2049. Ian has been building since he was 12 years old , starting with Myspace and web hosting , and today he runs one of the most established institutional crypto trading infrastructure companies in the space. We get into why funds can't just use Claude Code to build their own trading systems, what it actually costs to run institutional-grade infrastructure, and why tokenized equities are about to eat the entire offshore market. Ian also shares why TradFi and crypto are converging faster than most people realize, how AI is making hiring a nightmare, and why word of mouth is still the best customer acquisition channel in this industry. If you manage a fund, build trading systems, or want to understand how the institutional side of crypto actually works, this one is for you.
DISCLAIMER
Nothing mentioned in this podcast is investment advice and please do your own research. It would mean a lot if you can leave a review of this podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share this podcast with a friend.
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CoinRoutes Website: https://coinroutes.com/
CoinRoutes Twitter/X: https://x.com/coinroutes
Ian LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianweisberger/?isSelfProfile=false
Web3 with Sam Kamani: https://www.web3pod.xyz
 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 
• [00:00] Teaser: AI cheating in interviews, $2M/year infrastructure costs, and tokenized equities eating the offshore market
• [01:30] Ian's background: learning to code at 12 on Myspace, running a web hosting business in high school, and how payment processor frustrations led him to crypto
• [04:00] How Bitcoin ETF approvals unlocked 401k and brokerage account access to crypto, and what that means for institutional volume
• [05:30] What CoinRoutes actually solves: multi-exchange trading, counterparty risk diversification, P&L reconciliation, and fund admin syncing
• [07:00] The new bundled prime brokerage partnership with CRX Trade , one place for everything, soft dollar model
• [08:30] Why funds can't just build their own systems with Claude Code: the real cost is servers, maintenance, and 4am on-call engineers
• [10:30] AI is breaking hiring: Ian now flies people around the world to interview in person just to verify candidates aren't reading off a screen
• [13:00] Why human-to-human relationships are becoming more valuable than ever in business development and sales
• [15:00] TradFi and crypto converging: CME going 24/7, crypto solving weekend margin top-ups via stablecoin settlement rails
• [17:00] The bifurcated market opportunity: trading firms sitting between offshore Asian exchanges and onshore US markets making 20%+ annual returns on cash
• [19:00] Tokenized equities: why they won't take off for US investors but will be massive for offshore investors avoiding tax, inheritance, and FX costs
• [21:30] What the industry still misunderstands: market access differences for US vs offshore investors, and opaque contract specs on crypto venues causing liquidations
• [23:00] Best acquisition: buying a portfolio management system to vertically integrate the full client stack
• [24:00] Best customer acquisition channel: word of mouth after 8 years of keeping clients happy

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I sat down live at Token 2049 in Singapore with Abdul from ZIG Finance to dig into how the industry has quietly shifted from hype to real adoption. We cover why blockchain was never really about speed or cutting out middlemen , it was always about access. Abdul shares how ZIG Finance evolved from a copy trading platform into a full institutional DeFi stack, why their tokenomics overhaul puts revenue back into the token, and what it actually takes to bring emerging market assets on-chain safely. We also get into why origination , not distribution, not technology , is the hardest problem in tokenization right now, and what a 70-year-old man in Karachi buying Tesla stock on his Trust Wallet tells us about where this industry is headed. 
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Nothing mentioned in this podcast is investment advice and please do your own research. It would mean a lot if you can leave a review of this podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share this podcast with a friend. 
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Abdul LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/argadit/?isSelfProfile=false
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 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 
• [0:00] Blockchain was built for access and equality, not just efficiency or removing middlemen
• [1:12] Recording live at Token 2049 in Singapore , the event has shifted toward institutional focus
• [2:26] Adoption looks boring but that's how real, lasting adoption works
• [3:39] The education curve took 10 years; the adoption curve is arriving now
• [5:39] ZIG Finance evolved from Zignali copy trading platform to a full institutional stack: ZIGmarkets, ZIGchain, and ZIGlabs
• [6:29] May 2025 tokenomics overhaul ties token value to real commercial revenue, not just gas fees
• [7:00] Gas fees have dropped 99%, breaking the traditional chain revenue model
• [9:06] Hyperliquid proved the equity-like token model; Aave, Ondo, and Morpho are following
• [11:07] Distribution beats product quality every time , WhatsApp, Facebook, Gmail all won on distribution, not features
• [12:01] Taurus Network partnership connects ZIG Finance to 70 banks including 40 European banks
• [15:18] Real use cases: Morpho, Ondo, Aave, Maple are building genuine utility
• [15:52] A 70-year-old man in Karachi bought Tesla shares via Ondo on Trust Wallet , that's the use case
• [16:33] Tokenization is a four-sided problem: originators, distributors, technology, and licensing
• [17:03] More demand than supply right now , the challenge is finding quality assets, not investors
• [20:47] Beehive partnership (owned by Etisalat/UAE sovereign entity): $150M+ deployed, zero NPLs
• [19:49] GCC SME sector needs $650B in credit annually; banks only serve 11% of that
• [23:16] Next 12 months: Apex, Taurus, World Liberty Finance partnerships, plus Sharia-compliant tokenization via Zamanas
• [24:37] Biggest growth region: Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia

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I sat down with Pieter from NextBlock Ventures live at Korea Blockchain Week in Seoul. We got into the big themes shaping crypto right now , tokenization, stablecoins, and the deep cryptography primitives that most people haven't heard of yet. Pieter shares why he believes Q-day arrives around 2030, why Bitcoin's quantum readiness keeps him up at night, and what drew him to back Soda Labs , a privacy protocol using garbled circuits on public chains like Ethereum. We also dig into fully homomorphic encryption, why FHE plus AI is like magic, and why building privacy into the chains where liquidity lives is the only approach that makes sense. If you want to understand where the smart money is looking five to eight years out, this is the episode for you. 
DISCLAIMER
Nothing mentioned in this podcast is investment advice and please do your own research. It would mean a lot if you can leave a review of this podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and share this podcast with a friend. 
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NextBlock LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/company/nextblock-vc/home/
Pieter LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/pietervanpoecke/?isSelfProfile=false
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 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 
• [00:00] Sam and Pieter open live from Korea Blockchain Week in Seoul, discussing why Korea is a uniquely powerful crypto and deep tech market
• [02:30] Pieter shares how NextBlock launched in 2022 right as Terra Luna and FTX collapsed, and how that reset shaped their long-term thesis
• [05:00] The firm's focus areas: tokenization, stablecoins, and deep cryptography primitives like FHE and post-quantum cryptography
• [07:00] Q-day debate , Pieter makes his case for 2030 as the most likely arrival of quantum computers capable of breaking current encryption
• [09:30] Tokenization beyond US Treasuries: why stocks are next, with DTCC, Nasdaq, and Kraken all moving in that direction
• [13:00] Stablecoins in developed markets , why USD dominance at 98% will persist for a while but local currency stablecoins are coming
• [16:00] The Soda Labs investment thesis: bringing privacy to public chains using garbled circuits rather than spinning up separate private chains
• [20:00] Plain-language breakdown of fully homomorphic encryption and why FHE applied to AI is one of the most powerful combinations on the horizon
• [23:30] Why Bitcoin's lack of a post-quantum roadmap is a $2 trillion risk, and why Ethereum is ahead on this front
• [26:30] What Pieter looks for in founders: commercial instincts plus deep technical authority, and why the deep cryptography community is extremely small and tight-knit
• [28:30] Pieter's goals for this Korea trip and what types of founders and investors he wants to connect with

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I sat down with Peiyu from CertiK at Korea Blockchain Week in Seoul for a deep dive into the evolving world of Web3 security. We talk about how AI is shrinking the attack lifecycle from months to days, why getting audited still doesn't guarantee you're safe, and how attackers are now conducting in-person social engineering campaigns that play out over six months before striking. Peiyu breaks down the biggest hacks of the year, explains the difference between custodial and non-custodial risk, and gives founders practical advice on how to build with security from day one. If you're building in Web3 or investing in protocols, this one is essential listening.
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CertiK Twitter/X: https://x.com/CertiK
CertiK LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/certik/home/
Peiyu LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/p3iyuwang/?isSelfProfile=false
Web3 with Sam Kamani: https://www.web3pod.xyz/
 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 
• [00:00] AI is compressing the attack lifecycle , finding zero-day vulnerabilities that once took a month now takes a day or two
• [00:24] The Drup protocol attack involved an attacker meeting the victim in person at a crypto conference and spending six months building trust before deploying malware
• [01:01] Sam interviews Peiyu from CertiK live at Korea Blockchain Week in Seoul
• [02:16] Institutional financial companies are increasingly focused on digital assets , stablecoins, tokenization , and security is their top priority
• [03:25] The three biggest hacks of the year: a $300M+ infrastructure exploit, the CollabDAO bridge attack, and the Drup social engineering incident
• [05:12] Social engineering is rising fast , fake Zoom links, Telegram impersonation, and phishing attacks are becoming standard attack vectors
• [07:05] Defense-in-depth is critical: EDR software, strong monitoring, and a SOC team can stop attackers even after initial compromise
• [09:47] Getting audited isn't enough , auditor quality, scope limitations, and ignoring off-chain components leave major gaps
• [12:20] CertiK reviews the full architecture even when only part of the system is in scope and recommends penetration testing for off-chain components
• [13:03] Manual audits, formal verification, static analysis, and AI are complementary , not replacements for each other
• [14:15] CertiK has built an AI Auditor tool that is publicly usable and can catch most issues a human auditor would find
• [16:14] April saw more than 30 hack incidents with only three hack-free days , AI is directly driving this surge
• [17:35] The best defense against AI-powered attacks is using AI on the defense side too , AI-empowered security engineers and agent SOC monitoring
• [18:28] Custodial vs non-custodial risk explained , hardware wallets from reputable providers, and understanding multi-sig, MPC, and HSM-based custody options
• [21:17] Founders should adopt a secure-by-design mindset , hire security engineers early and engage a security firm at the architecture stage before writing code
• [22:47] CertiK's biggest challenge is keeping pace with new technology , every new protocol or EIP needs to be understood and threat-modeled before they can secure it