The Rollup

Diego Perez de Ayala says the industry chased the wrong bet for years, and the trillions are in rebuilding the financial system itself.
Diego, known as Solana Legend, joins Andy and Rob live from the Empire State Building to lay out the thesis behind Frictionless. They talk about why the nouns of Wall Street are already onchain but its verbs are still early, the race to get licensed before the regulatory window shuts, and why tokenization today looks like stablecoins in 2014. He also covers the incumbents' Kodak dilemma, why chains that ignore capital markets won't survive, and what could justify trillion-dollar layer ones.
Diego Perez de Ayala, known as Solana Legend, is Co-Founder of Frictionless, backing onchain trading and capital markets infrastructure including Backpack and Titan.
Finance is being rewritten on the internet, and only one in twenty of its functions has been built.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:21 Web 3.0 Narrative Proved Largely False
04:08 Funding The Verbs Not The Nouns
06:10 Licenses Race Before The Window Shuts
10:24 Tokenization Looks Like 2014 Before Tether
13:00 How Wall Street Actually Comes Onchain
15:26 Companies Earning A Billion A Month
17:27 Incumbents Face The Kodak Dilemma
21:29 Missing 24/7 Trading Is A Scam
23:47 Chains Ignoring Capital Markets Are Cooked
26:18 Do Layer Ones Justify Trillion Valuations
30:10 Return Dispersion Lets Investors Outperform
32:30 One Out Of Twenty Verbs Built

Guest Socials:
Diego Perez de Ayala X: https://x.com/SolanaLegend
Frictionless X: https://x.com/FrictionlessVC
Frictionless Website: https://frictionless.capital/

Partners:
Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.
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Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.
Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/
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DISCLAIMER: Investing in cryptocurrency and DeFi platforms comes with inherent risks including technical risk, human error, platform failure and more. At certain points throughout this channel, we may earn a commission or fee as a sponsorship, if this is the case we will always make sure it is clear. We are strictly an educational content platform, nothing we offer is financial advice. We are not professionals or licensed advisors.

Kristen Mierzwa says every big traditional asset class now wants what digital assets have had all along: 24/7 markets. FTSE Russell has priced digital assets around the clock since 2019, and now it's working on taking equities, fixed income, commodities and more to 24/7 too.
Live from Link:NYC in Hudson Yards, FTSE Russell's Head of Digital Assets explains how Hyperliquid's weekend oil trading changed the conversation, why index providers and exchanges need to be the trusted source of price for 24/7 markets, and how the Russell indices are already going onchain, from OTC swaps on the Canton Network on the Russell 2000 to the DTCC tokenizing constituents of the Russell 1000. She breaks down why demand for 24/7 trading is coming from outside the US, why FTSE Russell is expanding its stablecoin coverage from 12 to 95 and pricing from decentralized exchanges, and how tokenization lets one product hold Bitcoin, gold, silver and the biggest tech stocks side by side. She also explains why believing in tokenization means believing in the layer ones it runs on.
Kristen Mierzwa is Head of Digital Assets at FTSE Russell, an LSEG business.
The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:04 Every Asset Class Is Going 24/7
07:45 How The Russell Indices Go Onchain
10:52 24/7 Demand Is Coming From Outside The US
14:07 Stablecoin Coverage Grows From 12 To 95
17:21 Trillions In Index Assets Can Come Onchain
20:24 Tokenization Runs On Layer Ones

Guest Socials:
Kristen Mierzwa LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristen-mierzwa
FTSE Russell X: https://x.com/FTSERussell
FTSE Russell Website: https://www.lseg.com/en/ftse-russell

Partners:
Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.
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Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.
Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/
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DISCLAIMER: Investing in cryptocurrency and DeFi platforms comes with inherent risks including technical risk, human error, platform failure and more. At certain points throughout this channel, we may earn a commission or fee as a sponsorship, if this is the case we will always make sure it is clear. We are strictly an educational content platform, nothing we offer is financial advice. We are not professionals or licensed advisors.

Jeremy Schwartz says today is nothing like 2000. The expanded tech sector trades around a 22 forward P/E, Tesla is the only big stock priced like the dot-com era, and for public market investors there's no real bubble. If anything, he says, AI adoption hasn't even reached the national anthem.
On Convergence, our series with WisdomTree, WisdomTree's Global Chief Investment Officer explains why markets are climbing a wall of worry with reasonable valuations, why he doesn't see a dramatic Fed hiking cycle, and how people across his firm built around 60 apps in five months by vibe coding, which makes him want more people using these tools, not fewer. He breaks down WisdomTree's push into tokenization, from tokenized gold to a tokenized money market fund that can now trade 24/7, and why tokenized ETFs are coming as the SEC pushes progress forward. He also previews the new collaboration with Return Stacked ETFs and explains why a few percent in Bitcoin makes sense as a diversifier in multi-asset portfolios.
Jeremy Schwartz is Global Chief Investment Officer at WisdomTree and co-author of Stocks for the Long Run with Professor Jeremy Siegel.
The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:16 Today Is Nothing Like 2000
07:25 AI Is Still In The Earliest Innings
12:03 Vibe Coding 60 Apps In Five Months
18:36 From Gold To Tokenized Gold
24:39 Tokenization Is Coming For Your Checking Account
32:25 Tokenized ETFs Are Coming

Guest Socials:
Jeremy Schwartz X: https://x.com/JeremyDSchwartz
WisdomTree X: https://x.com/WisdomTreeFunds

Partners:
Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.
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Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.
Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/
---

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DISCLAIMER: Investing in cryptocurrency and DeFi platforms comes with inherent risks including technical risk, human error, platform failure and more. At certain points throughout this channel, we may earn a commission or fee as a sponsorship, if this is the case we will always make sure it is clear. We are strictly an educational content platform, nothing we offer is financial advice. We are not professionals or licensed advisors.

James Seyffart says we are so early in the tokenization build-out, like the second inning. Tokenized stocks are ramping aggressively, following the same path stablecoins took a few years ago, and the total addressable market is absolutely massive.
Live from Link:NYC in Hudson Yards, Bloomberg Intelligence's senior research analyst explains why the DTCC's tokenization service and the biggest banks and broker-dealers testing onchain rails are only just getting started, and why he expects most stuff to be tokenized in 10 to 15 years, often without investors even noticing. He breaks down why tokenized ETFs and tokenized stocks are two bridges between TradFi and DeFi that will eventually merge, how skeptics at Bloomberg went from dismissing blockchain to quoting Hyperliquid and Polymarket prices, and why Zcash has become one of the most talked-about assets among institutional clients. He also lays out why he thinks Bitcoin reaches $10 trillion by the end of the decade.
James Seyffart is a Senior Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence.
The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:35 Tokenization Is Only Just Getting Started
07:18 Bloomberg Skeptics Now Quote Hyperliquid
13:09 Institutions Are Intrigued By Zcash
17:31 Bitcoin Is Heading To $10 Trillion

Guest Socials:
James Seyffart X: https://x.com/JSeyff
Bloomberg Intelligence X: https://x.com/BBGIntelligence
Bloomberg Intelligence Website: https://www.bloomberg.com/

Partners:
Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.
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Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.
Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/
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𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗴𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:

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𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴.

Sergey Nazarov says the whole industry only keeps succeeding if net new money keeps coming onchain, and now the job is to 10x that money. The way to do it, he says, is to use tokenization to build financial products that are better than their traditional versions.
Live from Link:NYC in Hudson Yards, the Chainlink co-founder explains why Chainlink has grown from an oracle into a collection of tools and full solutions, from a custody product already adopted by Anchorage to securities and cash lending across DeFi and TradFi, and why that makes it as hard to describe as Amazon Web Services. He breaks down why 24/7 markets need 24/7 data, what connecting the DTCC's collateral app chain to the Swift ledger would unlock, and why the really huge volume will come from cross-border flows, with capital in places like Dubai and Singapore finally able to reach US assets. He also previews, for the first time, a new Chainlink solution built for AI agents to use DeFi, securities lending and real-world assets.
Sergey Nazarov is the Co-Founder of Chainlink.
The Rollup is where the leaders of digital assets and finance converge. Live from the financial capital of the world.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:15 Chainlink Is The AWS Of Onchain Finance
07:25 Tokenized Assets Must Beat TradFi
10:32 What Connecting Swift And DTCC Unlocks
13:42 The Huge Volume Will Be International
17:32 Global Distribution Needs Tokenization
20:54 Chainlink Is Building For AI Agents
25:27 Tokenization Will 10x The Money Onchain

Guest Socials:
Sergey Nazarov X: https://x.com/SergeyNazarov
Chainlink X: https://x.com/chainlink
Chainlink Website: https://chain.link/

Partners:
Space and Time is providing verifiable data infrastructure for onchain finance. A decentralized database, blockchain indexer, and ZK coprocessor in one, giving DeFi protocols,stablecoins, and tokenized assets accurate, provable data.
---
Zama is an open source cryptography company that builds state-of-the-art Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) solutions for blockchain.
Learn more here: https://www.zama.org/
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𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗴𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘁 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀:

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Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast
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The Rollup Disclosures: https://goodidea.ventures

𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴.