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Book publishers including Hachette and Macmillan have filed a lawsuit in New York against Mark Zuckerberg and Meta. They're trying to stop AI companies from allegedly illegally copying millions of books and articles from piracy sites to train their models. How likely is it that the case will succeed?
Locally, there's a NSW inquiry into data centres. Can a state government actually force some of the world's most powerful companies to clean up their act?
And hard drive shortages driven by AI is making archiving the internet more expensive.
If you want to learn more about whether Australia has the energy and water to power the Australian AI data centre boom, we covered it on an earlier Download This Show episode.
GUESTS:
Meg Coffey – founder of State of Social.
Leigh Stark – the editor of Pickr.com.au.
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xAI's Elon Musk and Open AI’s Sam Altman were once on the same team, united by the belief that artificial intelligence was too important to be left to profit motives. Now, Musk is accusing Open AI of betraying its original charitable mission. How genuine are his motivations?
Plus, Microsoft Xbox chief Phil Spencer has retired. Who will replace him, and how will it change how we game?
GUEST: 
Alice Clarke – freelance tech and games journalist, co-author of Press Any Button on Substack.
David Braue – technology journalist at Information Age. 
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Imagine an AI model built on everything you know, how you communicate, how you reason, how you write, trained to act and respond like you so thoroughly that it can attend meetings, answer questions, and handle tasks on your behalf while you do something else entirely. This reality isn't as far away as you might think. Mark Zuckerberg is already making one.
Plus, Apple has a new CEO. What does the handover mean for the future of Apple?
And, Meta has installed tracking software to harvest their employee's computer activity to train AI. What protections do workers have against it?
GUESTS:
Georgia Dixon -- Managing Editor at Whistleout Singapore.
Chris Berg -- Professor of Economics at RMIT.
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Anthropic claims its latest AI model, Claude Mythos, is “too dangerous” to release given its exceptional cyber hacking capabilities. Is it all a PR stunt, or is this a genuine threat? 
Plus, the FBI extracted messages from the secure messaging app Signal after exploiting a loophole involving iPhone notification databases. So how secure is Signal? And how might the loophole be closed? 
Meanwhile, several major global news sites are blocking the Wayback Machine, an initiative of the Internet Archive. What threat does it pose to these sites? And what will it cost us to lose this information preservation? 
GUESTS:
Justin Hendry -- technology and business reporter and editor of Innovation Aus. 
Fergus Halliday -- technology & gaming journalist at reviews.org Australia
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In this special episode, what's happening in Australia's space industry? Between Australia's first lunar rover, and putting plants on the moon (this year!), we'll take a peek behind the curtain.
Space technology is having a moment right now. NASA’s Artemis mission is the first time humans have launched themselves into space since 1972. The 2026 Australian of the Year, Katherine Bennell-Pegg, is an astronaut. So, what does our local space industry look like right now? And where is it headed?
GUESTS:
Professor Andy Koronios -- Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director of the Australasian Space Innovation Institute.
Dr Lauren Fell -- outreach and marketing specialist at Lunar Outpost Oceania, co-lead of the ELO2 industry consortium building Roo-ver. She's also a director at Lunaria One, who is putting plants on the moon.
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