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Peewee Roscoe calls into Loon’s Internal Affairs and delivers a blunt assessment of Drew Findling during Lil Durk’s federal trial. Roscoe challenges Findling’s “billion-dollar lawyer” reputation and asks where the major murder-case victories are behind the high-profile image. While discussing Lil Durk’s legal team, Roscoe argues that celebrity clients, relationships with rappers and strong marketing do not automatically prove someone is the right lawyer for a case with stakes this high. Roscoe also reveals that he personally knows Drew Findling and says Findling previously attempted to represent him, giving additional context to why his criticism goes beyond what he has seen online. The conversation comes as Lil Durk continues fighting his federal case with Drew Findling and Brian Steel leading key parts of the defense. Do you think Peewee Roscoe is exposing a real gap between Drew Findling’s reputation and his courtroom résumé, or is he underestimating Durk’s legal team? Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage from Loon and Internal Affairs. #LilDurk #PeeweeRoscoe #DrewFindling 00:00 — Peewee Roscoe Interrupts Over Drew Findling 00:18 — “$1 Billion Lawyer?” 00:36 — Why Roscoe Gives Brian Steel More Credit 00:48 — “Show Me What’s Billion-Dollar in Court” 00:58 — Roscoe Says Some of the Image Is Marketing 01:10 — Where Are Drew’s Murder Wins? 01:23 — Roscoe Reveals Drew Tried to Represent Him Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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Loon breaks down a part of Lil Durk’s federal case that could be easy to overlook: beating the murder-for-hire theory may not automatically remove the possibility of a life sentence. During the conversation, Loon examines the stalking-resulting-in-death count and why the alleged connection between Durk, the vehicles, the people involved and the underlying conduct could become critically important. The bigger question becomes whether Durk’s defense can break the legal bridge prosecutors are attempting to establish between him and the alleged stalking operation. Loon also explains why simply focusing on whether Durk personally committed a murder can miss the larger legal issue being argued in federal court. This conversation is commentary and analysis of the ongoing Lil Durk federal trial. Lil Durk has denied involvement in the alleged murder-for-hire scheme. Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage and cultural analysis from Loon. Watch extended episodes on Patreon. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #Loon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO 0:00 Analyzing the Legal Strategy 0:28 The Hidden Details of the Trial 2:24 Reflecting on Culture and Community 6:02 The Conclusion of the Tupac Trial 13:05 The Economy of the Tupac Universe 19:36 Navigating Federal Evidence Rules 26:36 The Damage of Testimony 43:04 The Risk of Taking the Stand 1:17:02 The Impact of External Influences
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On this episode of Internal Affairs, Loon goes deep on the Lil Durk trial: Kanye West, India Royale and Doodie Lo, Trap Lore Ross, OTF Jam, Drew Findling, Brian Steel and Zül-Qarnain. The conversation goes far beyond what happened inside the courtroom. Loon examines the spectacle surrounding Lil Durk’s federal trial and questions whether some of the people showing support outside are actually helping Durk—or turning one of the most serious moments of his life into content. Zül-Qarnain joins the show after attending the trial at the request of Durk’s father, Dontay “Big Durk” Banks. He explains what he saw inside and outside the courthouse, his encounter with Trap Lore Ross, why misinformation surrounding the case became a concern, and what Durk’s family is dealing with as the trial unfolds. Loon also breaks down what Kanye West showing up at the courthouse communicated to the public, his interpretation of the viral India Royale and Doodie Lo moment, and why the lack of sustained major-media attention surrounding such a high-profile federal trial matters. The episode also digs into the legal battle itself: OTF Jam’s testimony, the defense strategy surrounding OTF Vonni, Brian Steel’s courtroom tactics, questions around Drew Findling’s public media appearances, and the debate over whether Lil Durk should ever take the stand. Beyond the headlines, Internal Affairs asks a larger question: when somebody from the culture is fighting for his life, what does useful support actually look like? Lil Durk has pleaded not guilty. The charges and allegations discussed in this episode remain allegations unless established in court. Subscribe to Internal Affairs for long-form conversations about culture, media, accountability, business and the issues happening inside our community. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #InternalAffairs DISCLAIMER: Lil Durk and all co-defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. Testimony, allegations and arguments discussed in this episode are part of an ongoing criminal proceeding and are not findings of guilt. INTERNAL AFFAIRS provides news commentary, cultural analysis and opinion.
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0:00 Lil Durk Trial — What This Episode Is Really About 1:21 Victims, Stakes & Why This Isn’t Entertainment 2:22 Loon Goes Off on the Courthouse Clout Chase 7:00 Welcome to Internal Affairs 8:07 Should Lil Durk Testify? Loon Changes His Position 12:21 What’s Happening Outside Federal Court 13:45 India & Doodie Lo — Loon’s Read on the No-Hug Moment 17:55 Why Playing Durk’s Music Outside Court Matters 20:14 What “Free Durk” Is Supposed to Mean 21:49 Drew Findling’s Public Strategy Questioned 26:27 OTF Jam, Gang Structure & the Government’s Case 31:34 Federal Informants & the DOJ Rules Debate 45:01 How the Jury May Hear OTF Jam’s Gang Testimony 51:03 Brian Steel’s “Accomplished Durk Banks” Strategy 1:06:27 Why the Major-Media Gap Matters 1:11:28 Trap Lore Ross vs. Brian Steel’s Defense 1:17:58 Trap Lore Ross & the Courthouse Tension 1:30:50 Kanye West Shows Up for Lil Durk 1:40:33 Zül-Qarnain Joins Internal Affairs 1:46:49 What Zül Saw Outside the Courthouse 1:51:13 Big Durk’s Request & Positive Media for Durk 1:56:28 Should Lil Durk Take the Stand? 2:01:28 Zül Explains the Trap Lore Ross Confrontation 2:09:32 India, Durk’s Family & the Courtroom Energy 2:20:51 Monetizing Lil Durk’s Trial 2:23:10 Big Durk’s Mindset Through the Trial 2:35:06 Final Message to Everyone Supporting Durk
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Loon gets a live call from a federal inmate incarcerated with Lil Durk as they break down Durk’s trial, King Von, Akademiks, 6ix9ine, OTF witnesses, Tupac, Keffe D, Pooh Shiesty and more. INTERNAL AFFAIRS begins with access you rarely hear in hip-hop media: Loon gets a live call from a federal inmate incarcerated with Lil Durk while Durk is fighting for his freedom in one of the biggest federal rap trials in the country. Loon and his caller go inside the questions surrounding Durk’s case, the people around him, cooperating witnesses and whether Durk may ultimately have to take the stand and tell his own story. But Loon’s argument about Lil Durk goes deeper than the case. Everyone has spent years saying the internet “tricked” Durk with “Slide for Von.” Loon argues that explanation misses the emotional reality of what King Von represented to Durk. In Loon’s view, the internet did not create the pain — but social media, trolling and hip-hop media helped keep pouring pressure onto something that was already real. That brings the conversation directly to DJ Akademiks and 6ix9ine. Loon questions why Durk continued doing business and interviews inside a media ecosystem that repeatedly amplified 6ix9ine’s taunts about King Von, Quando Rondo and “Slide for Von.” That history has become even more relevant during Durk’s trial. A federal judge has ruled that jurors may see an excerpt from a 2021 episode of Akademiks’ Off the Record featuring 6ix9ine and Wack 100, where 6ix9ine mocked Durk over retaliation for King Von. Prosecutors say the clip helps show the public pressure surrounding revenge; Durk’s lawyers disputed that Durk had ever seen the interview. And the trial is no longer approaching — it is underway. Opening statements began August 24, 2026. Prosecutors allege Durk orchestrated a murder-for-hire retaliation plot targeting Quando Rondo after King Von’s death. Durk’s defense says he is being falsely portrayed as the architect of the shooting and points toward former assistant Kavon Grant. Durk has pleaded not guilty. Loon also gets into Trap Lore Ross, rap true-crime media and what happens when creators who have built content around alleged murders and street histories are sitting inside the courtroom while those same stories are being litigated for real. Then INTERNAL AFFAIRS moves from Chicago to another historic case happening right now: Tupac Shakur. Loon breaks down the Keffe D trial, Mob James, decades of interviews and the danger of turning old street stories into entertainment. Keffe D’s prior statements are now central evidence in his Tupac murder trial. Prosecutors are using statements he made to police, in interviews and in his memoir, while his defense argues that many of those accounts were exaggerated or fabricated for publicity and money. For Loon, that becomes a larger conversation about gang culture, aging, loyalty, internal betrayal and what people actually have left after decades of living off old reputations. The episode then turns to Pooh Shiesty, Gucci Mane and NBA YoungBoy. Loon discusses Pooh Shiesty’s authenticity, his relationship with Gucci, why audiences respond differently when they truly believe an artist’s story, and why Loon believes Pooh Shiesty represents something different from what many fans project onto NBA YoungBoy. This is INTERNAL AFFAIRS. The conversations happening inside our culture, examined from inside the culture. Hosted by Loon. Watch the full episode and tell us: what part of Lil Durk’s situation do you think the internet still doesn’t understand? 00:00 — Lil Durk Is Fighting for His Life in Federal Court 02:37 — Did the Internet Really Trick Lil Durk? 05:58 — The King Von Pain Nobody Talks About 06:26 — Loon GOES IN on Akademiks & “Slide for Von” 09:17 — How the Industry Tried to Lock 6ix9ine Out 10:28 — Why Durk Should’ve Drawn the Line With Akademiks 12:38 — Lil Durk Trial & Trap Lore Ross 15:18 — 6ix9ine & Wack 100 Interview Enters the Federal Case 17:59 — OTF Jam & Cooperating Witnesses 20:54 — Loon Questions Trap Lore Ross at Durk’s Trial 22:41 — Trap Lore Ross Gets Confronted Outside Court 25:41 — What “Free Durk” Actually Means 28:04 — Federal Inmate With Lil Durk Calls Loon LIVE 28:21 — Can Lil Durk Beat the Case? 37:19 — Does Lil Durk Need to Take the Stand? 40:15 — Akademiks & Trap Lore Ross Showing Up at Trial 56:41 — Why Tupac’s Death Became Big Business 58:31 — Pooh Shiesty Takes Over the Conversation 01:02:37 — Pooh Shiesty’s Legal Situation 01:14:20 — Loon: Pooh Shiesty Is Who People Think YoungBoy Is 01:17:18 — NBA YoungBoy Trying to Escape the Chaos 01:19:57 — Back to Durk & Why Akademiks Matters 01:20:37 — Loon Says He Warned Them Years Ago 01:21:58 — Is Hip-Hop Media Disconnected From the Culture? 01:25:00 — Why Durk Should’ve Shut Down the YoungBoy Questions 01:26:00 — Hurt, Anger & What the Jury May Hear 01:28:46 — Why Durk May Have to Testify 01:30:19 — Welcome to INTERNAL AFFAIRS #lildurk @LilDurk ​
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Dr. Umar Johnson sits down with Loon for an explosive conversation on Michael Jackson, Drake’s UMG battle, Jay-Z, Netflix, Floyd Mayweather, Farrakhan, Black leadership and more.
Dr. Umar Johnson returns to It’s Up There with Loon for a wide-ranging conversation that quickly moves into Michael Jackson, Drake, Jay-Z, the music industry, Black leadership, money, power and what happens when major Black figures collide with powerful institutions.
Loon presses Dr. Umar on Michael Jackson following Netflix’s Michael Jackson: The Verdict, leading to a deeper debate about Jackson’s 2005 acquittal, the accusations that followed him, Sony, his legacy, his cultural impact and whether the public has ever been given the full Michael Jackson story.
The conversation then takes an unexpected turn toward Drake.
With Drake currently battling Universal Music Group through his ongoing appeal and using Michael Jackson-inspired glove imagery for Iceman, Loon asks whether Drake could be signaling something deeper about his own position in the music business. Dr. Umar responds with a serious warning about fame, power, ownership and what artists should do when major conflicts begin happening behind closed doors. Drake’s appeal against UMG remains active in 2026, while his Iceman artwork has publicly drawn comparisons to Michael Jackson’s famous glove.
Dr. Umar and Loon also get into Jay-Z, Kanye West, Dame Dash and what may happen behind the scenes when artists become powerful enough to challenge the structures around them. Umar discusses why he believes major public figures should be more open about the battles they face instead of allowing the public to discover the story afterward.
But the episode goes far beyond music.
Loon and Dr. Umar debate Floyd Mayweather and wealth, 50 Cent, Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West, FBA and the Freedmen debate, reparations, Marcus Garvey and the Black Star Line, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Muammar Gaddafi, Black nationalism, the assassination era of Black leadership and Umar’s continuing plans for FDMG Academy.
This is another unfiltered conversation between Dr. Umar Johnson and Loon about culture, history, celebrity, power and the future of Black America.
Watch the full conversation and tell us where you agree — and where you think Loon or Dr. Umar went too far.
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The conversation closes by debating Drake versus Michael Jackson, streaming-era statistics versus cultural impact and whether numbers alone can capture greatness.

00:00 — INTRO — Dr. Umar Returns to It’s Up There
02:30 — Michael Jackson: Netflix, the Trial & What Really Happened
08:00 — Was Michael Jackson a Prophet?
11:30 — Michael Jackson vs Elvis, Sinatra & How History Gets Rewritten
15:30 — Prophets, Sacrifice & the Assassination of Black Leaders
19:30 — Farrakhan, Gaddafi & the Billion-Dollar Offer
24:00 — Malcolm X, MLK, Fred Hampton & the Era of Assassinations
29:30 — Floyd Mayweather’s Money Problems, 50 Cent & Who You Trust
34:00 — FBA, Freedmen, Reparations & Black Identity
39:00 — Cornel West, Michael Eric Dyson & Black Intellectual Leadership
43:00 — Marcus Garvey, Black Nationalism & the Black Star Line
47:00 — Jay-Z, Kanye West & What Happens Behind Closed Doors
52:00 — Why Dr. Umar Calls Dame Dash Valuable
55:30 — Drake’s Black Identity, Kendrick Lamar & the Culture
1:00:30 — Drake vs UMG — Is He Following Michael Jackson’s Path?
1:04:30 — The Michael Jackson Glove & Drake’s Iceman Message
1:08:00 — Why Dr. Umar Warns Drake to Be Careful
1:12:30 — FINAL WORDS
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