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The Lil Durk trial has reached jury deliberations—and the longer the verdict takes, the more questions surround OTF Jam, OTF Vonnie, the alleged lack of payment, and the government’s case. In this full episode of Internal Affairs, Loon delivers continuing Lil Durk trial coverage from inside the evidence and outside the internet noise. He breaks down why the jury may be taking its time, which parts of the cooperating witnesses’ testimony could create reasonable doubt, and how the same testimony can help the prosecution in one moment and hurt it in the next. Loon drills into one of the biggest questions hanging over the case: if a murder-for-hire agreement existed, where is the payment? He explains why the absence of a clear transaction can support the defense—but also why the government may argue that no payment was ever needed to prove its theory. The conversation examines OTF Jam, OTF Vonnie, the travel evidence, alleged communications after the shooting, and the pressure jurors face when a man’s freedom is on the line. The episode also breaks down the closing arguments from Brian Steel and Drew Findling. Loon examines Steel’s decision to attack OTF Jam’s credibility, the defense’s portrayal of Jam as a violent and unreliable witness, and whether Findling’s courtroom style gave jurors enough substance when the stakes were highest. Then Loon turns to Akademiks. After the government referenced content from Lil Durk’s interview, Loon explains why media footage does not disappear once it enters the federal courtroom—and why Akademiks’ history with 6ix9ine, King Von and Lil Durk cannot be separated from the larger public narrative surrounding the case. Loon also discusses what a hung jury could mean, whether prosecutors could retry unresolved counts, how King Von connects to OTF Vonnie’s access, and whether more federal pressure could follow after this trial. Later in the episode, Internal Affairs examines Adam22 and Lena the Plug’s reported separation, the business and relationship pressures behind their public conversation, and the symbolism Loon saw in the Drake wedding-ring moment. This episode was recorded while the jury was still deliberating. Trial developments may have changed after recording. All charges and claims discussed remain allegations unless proven in court, and every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until found guilty. What do you believe the jury is wrestling with most: witness credibility, the missing payment, the travel evidence, or the Akademiks interview? Subscribe to Internal Affairs with Loon, turn on notifications, and share this episode with somebody following the Lil Durk trial #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #otfjam 00:00 Jury Deliberations and Verdict Watch 06:12 Closing Arguments and Witness Credibility 14:48 Why the Alleged Lack of Payment Matters 21:35 King Von and Lil Durk’s Street-vs.-Rap Collision 29:42 Akademiks Enters the Government’s Courtroom Narrative 38:26 Could the Case End in a Hung Jury? 44:10 Loon Presses Drew Findling Over Akademiks 51:38 What a Hung Jury Would Mean for Lil Durk 57:16 Brian Steel Attacks OTF Jam’s Credibility 1:04:22 The Missing Payment Evidence 1:09:47 Has Justice Already Been Served? 1:15:18 How OTF Vonnie Got Close to Lil Durk 1:20:36 Could More Charges or a RICO Follow? 1:24:48 Adam22 and Lena the Plug’s Separation 1:27:12 The Drake Wedding-Ring Moment 1:29:05 Final Thoughts and Patreon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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Lil Durk was found NOT GUILTY on all five counts in his federal murder-for-hire trial — so why is he still in federal custody? Loon breaks down the question thousands of people have been asking since the verdict and explains the separate federal case that is still keeping Lil Durk behind bars. Durk's murder-for-hire acquittal ended the case surrounding the 2022 Los Angeles shooting targeting Quando Rondo. But it did not end his federal legal battle. A separate trial is currently scheduled for October 5 involving murder-related racketeering and weapons allegations. On Internal Affairs, Loon breaks down why those allegations were separated from the murder-for-hire trial, what prosecutors are alleging in the next case, and why the first NOT GUILTY verdict could become important when Durk's legal team returns to court. Loon also raises another major question: Can prosecutors use some of the same cooperating witnesses and evidence again while trying to connect Durk personally to a separate alleged violent enterprise? The first jury found Lil Durk not guilty on every count it considered. Now the question becomes what that clean sweep changes — and what it doesn't — when the next federal trial begins. All allegations in the pending case remain unproven, and Lil Durk has pleaded not guilty. Watch Internal Affairs with Loon for continued coverage of the Lil Durk federal cases. #LilDurk #LilDurkTrial #InternalAffairs Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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Loon takes aim at DJ Akademiks after Lil Durk's murder-for-hire acquittal and asks a bigger question about the relationship between hip-hop interviews, internet content and federal investigations. During Lil Durk's federal trial, prosecutors referenced portions of Durk's interview with Akademiks during closing arguments. Durk's attorneys later fought to have additional portions of the interview considered for context. Now Loon says the conversation can no longer stop at whether Akademiks intended to help or hurt Lil Durk. “Intent explains your heart. I'm dealing with his effect.” On Internal Affairs, Loon breaks down why he believes certain interview questions do more than create viral moments — especially when rappers are being questioned publicly about murder, retaliation, street conflicts and people they've lost. Loon argues that putting a rapper's pride, reputation and identity on trial in front of millions can pressure people into answering questions that may carry consequences far beyond the interview. The conversation becomes even more timely as Meek Mill publicly renews his criticism of Akademiks following Lil Durk's acquittal, accusing the streamer of fueling damaging narratives around successful rappers from the streets. Loon also challenges rappers themselves for continuing to sit for interviews where the questions can expose them legally. His warning is simple: The interviewer and artist may split the attention when the clip goes viral — but they don't split the consequences. Watch Loon break down DJ Akademiks, Lil Durk, Meek Mill, 6ix9ine and the bigger problem facing hip-hop media on Internal Affairs. #DJAkademiks #LilDurk #Loon Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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Wack 100 calls Loon and pushes back after his viral conversation with 6ix9ine becomes part of the evidence discussed in Lil Durk’s federal trial. Wack says the original interview has been misunderstood. According to Wack, he was questioning 6ix9ine about Tekashi’s own street claims and why he did not retaliate against the people he said kidnapped and robbed him. Wack says 6ix9ine then redirected the conversation toward Lil Durk and the now-infamous “Slide for Von” narrative. During the call, Wack makes it clear that the interview belongs to him and argues that nothing in the actual exchange substantiates claims about Lil Durk ordering or participating in anything. The larger debate is whether prosecutors and cooperating witnesses are using the viral 6ix9ine moment to establish that public pressure surrounding King Von’s death affected Durk. Wack 100 and Loon break down what was actually said, how the conversation changed direction and why that interview now matters inside one of hip-hop’s biggest federal trials. Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage from Loon and Internal Affairs. #LilDurk #Wack100 #6ix9ine Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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Peewee Roscoe calls into Loon’s Internal Affairs and delivers a blunt assessment of Drew Findling during Lil Durk’s federal trial. Roscoe challenges Findling’s “billion-dollar lawyer” reputation and asks where the major murder-case victories are behind the high-profile image. While discussing Lil Durk’s legal team, Roscoe argues that celebrity clients, relationships with rappers and strong marketing do not automatically prove someone is the right lawyer for a case with stakes this high. Roscoe also reveals that he personally knows Drew Findling and says Findling previously attempted to represent him, giving additional context to why his criticism goes beyond what he has seen online. The conversation comes as Lil Durk continues fighting his federal case with Drew Findling and Brian Steel leading key parts of the defense. Do you think Peewee Roscoe is exposing a real gap between Drew Findling’s reputation and his courtroom résumé, or is he underestimating Durk’s legal team? Subscribe for more Lil Durk trial coverage from Loon and Internal Affairs. #LilDurk #PeeweeRoscoe #DrewFindling 00:00 — Peewee Roscoe Interrupts Over Drew Findling 00:18 — “$1 Billion Lawyer?” 00:36 — Why Roscoe Gives Brian Steel More Credit 00:48 — “Show Me What’s Billion-Dollar in Court” 00:58 — Roscoe Says Some of the Image Is Marketing 01:10 — Where Are Drew’s Murder Wins? 01:23 — Roscoe Reveals Drew Tried to Represent Him Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO
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