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Eric and Neil break down how Eric cut his AI token spend from around $7,500 a month to nearly $0 by changing his model hierarchy, fixing fallback issues, and reducing unnecessary API usage.

They also get into why usage-based AI pricing is changing software, why some tools become more valuable in an agent-driven world, and what founders, marketers, and agencies need to understand as AI costs shift from seat-based pricing to usage-based pricing.

Key takeaways
◾ You can dramatically reduce AI token spend by fixing model hierarchy and fallback logic.
◾ AI costs need to be actively monitored because broken workflows can quietly burn cash.
◾ Usage-based pricing is becoming a bigger part of software economics.
◾ Some tools get more valuable in an agent-first world, while others matter less.
◾ Agencies that help companies become AI-readable may have a major opportunity.

Chapters
(00:00) How Eric cut his $7,500 AI token spend
(03:25) Why usage-based AI pricing is going up
(05:08) Why some software matters less in an agent world
(08:11) ClickFlow ad break
(12:29) Why AI-readable brands matter more
(17:19) What this means for agencies and founders

Eric and Neil break down how AI is changing software and what founders need to understand as user behavior, distribution, and product expectations keep shifting. They unpack why building around websites, dashboards, and traditional UI patterns may matter less going forward, and what happens when people increasingly want outcomes instead of more clicks.

They also get into what this means for marketers, agencies, and SaaS companies, why old funnels may become less effective, and where founders should focus if they want to stay relevant as AI changes how people discover, use, and buy software.

Key takeaways
◾ AI is changing what users expect from software.
◾ Founders may need to build for outcomes, not just interfaces.
◾ Websites, funnels, and traditional SaaS UX may matter less over time.
◾ Marketers need to think beyond clicks and landing pages.
◾ The companies that adapt faster will have a major advantage.

Chapters
(00:00) How AI is changing software
(03:12) Why traditional UI matters less
(06:48) What this means for founders
(10:21) Why websites and funnels may lose value
(14:37) What marketers and agencies should do now

Eric and Neil break down how Clavicular built a viral marketing machine, why clipping is starting to look a lot like paid media, and what businesses can learn from that playbook. Reports on Clavicular’s growth describe a large clipping operation that helped make his content unavoidable across platforms, which is the bigger distribution shift they unpack in this episode.

They also share 10 marketing and AI tools they would still pay for even if they cost $1,000 a month, including tools for landing pages, AI call handling, ad creative, multilingual video, personalization, SEO workflows, and agent-based execution.

Key takeaways

◾ What looks organic can actually be engineered distribution at scale.

◾ Clipping is becoming a serious modern paid media strategy.

◾ Businesses can apply the same playbook and often get better conversion quality.

◾ AI tools are collapsing weeks of marketing work into minutes.

◾ APIs, agents, and personalization are becoming core parts of the stack.

Chapters

(00:00) How Clavicular built a viral marketing machine

(07:04) 10 tools we’d pay $1,000/month for

(09:50) HighLevel, Higsfield, and YouTube’s multilingual features

(14:59) X API, personalization, and SEO workflows

(19:06) Hermes, Gemini, and agent-based marketing

Eric and Neil break down the fake GitHub star economy, why startup credibility signals are easier to manipulate than most people realize, and what that means for trust online. They also get into employee-generated content, the marketing channels they would bet on if they were starting over today, and why they are still doubling down on SEO even as the game shifts away from clicks and toward revenue, visibility, and AI-driven search.

Key takeaways

◾ GitHub stars and other online trust signals can be manipulated, which makes surface-level credibility much less reliable.

◾ Employee-generated content is becoming a bigger growth lever for companies that want more distribution.

◾ If they were starting over, Eric and Neil would still bet on channels like podcast clips, email, AEO, X, SMS, and LinkedIn.

◾ SEO is not dead, but the old way of measuring it is.

◾ The real focus now is revenue, conversions, and visibility across search engines and AI surfaces, not just clicks.

Chapters

00:00 The fake GitHub star economy

03:10 Why fake traction can fool people

08:26 The rise of employee-generated content

12:30 The 7 marketing channels they’d bet on today

18:18 SEO is dead again… so why are they doubling down?

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Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who actually test what they teach.

The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of NP Digital and one of the most recognized marketers in the world.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

📩 Free Resources

Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/

Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

ClickFlow: https://www.clickflow.com/

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Eric and Neil break down the new media flywheel, why clips, live shows, and community now work together, and why entrepreneurs need to think more like media companies.

Key takeaways

◾ The strongest media businesses now run on video, streams, clips, and community.

◾ The biggest opportunities are often in boring, unsexy businesses with large markets.

◾ AI is a multiplier for top performers, not a shortcut for average ones.

◾ Great hiring now depends more on adaptability, creativity, and real AI fluency.

◾ The people who embrace AI early are creating a much bigger gap over time.

◾ Passion still matters, and it becomes obvious fast when someone truly has it.

Chapters

00:00 The new media flywheel

00:56 Why the real money is in boring businesses

04:07 Why AI is making A-players even stronger

09:09 What founders should look for when hiring

16:04 Why passion still wins

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who actually test what they teach.

The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of NP Digital and one of the most recognized marketers in the world.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

📩 Free Resources

Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/

Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

ClickFlow: https://www.clickflow.com/

✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!