Palisades Gold Radio

Stijn Schmitz welcomes William Rhind to the show. William is the Founder and CEO of GraniteShares. Rhind provides insights into the current market landscape, emphasizing the early stages of AI development and the potential for significant transformation across various sectors. Regarding market volatility, Rhind attributes recent fluctuations to multiple factors, including potential Federal Reserve leadership changes, cryptocurrency market movements, and concerns about AI’s impact on software companies. He argues that we are in the early stages of AI development, with significant potential for innovation and disruption across industries.

Rhind highlights the ongoing bull market for hard assets, driven by global economic uncertainties, central bank buying, and concerns about currency debasement. He notes that emerging market central banks are actively diversifying their reserves by purchasing gold, viewing it as a strategic hedge against paper currencies. Platinum receives special attention, with Rhind explaining its unique market dynamics. He points out that platinum is about 30 times rarer than gold and currently sits in a market deficit. The metal’s future looks promising, particularly as previous bearish sentiment around internal combustion engines has dissipated and industrial demand remains strong.

Rhind suggests that while passive investing has benefits, too much concentration can potentially create market inefficiencies. He advocates for a “core and satellite” approach to investing, balancing long-term retirement strategies with more speculative investments.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:00 – Investor Demand Trends

00:02:00 – Market Volatility Drivers

00:04:28 – AI Bubble Debate

00:06:30 – Dot-com Bubble Comparison

00:10:45 – Commodities in AI Chain

00:12:40 – Energy Sector Opportunities

00:14:12 – Currency Debasement Thesis

00:17:03 – Precious Metals Bull Market

00:19:00 – Central Bank Gold Buying

00:22:02 – De-dollarization and Dollar Outlook

00:28:00 – Silver Market Dynamics

00:32:42 – Platinum Investment Case

00:39:30 – Passive Investing Trends

00:44:40 – U.S. Equity Market Size

00:46:12 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Website: https://graniteshares.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-rhind-5434367

In 2016, Will Rhind challenged himself to find a way to do things differently. As a 18-year veteran of the ETF industry with experience working at, building and running, well-established successful ETF businesses, he made a keen observation: investing just isn’t as exciting as it once was. He asked himself, how do you bring back that excitement? As an experienced entrepreneur, he decided to answer that question by launching his own ETF company – GraniteShares was born. Will’s focus on disrupting the financial industry has taken GraniteShares from an idea to a successful start-up garnering the attention of Bain Capital and other well-known ETF investors who support his passion to create products that will change the way people see investing. Will spends his time outside of GraniteShares with his wife and three children. He’s on the Board of Directors of the Bath University Foundation, has a passion for classic cars, Manchester United, and travel – especially back to his roots in Aberdeen, Scotland, “The Granite City.” Will has over 25 years of experience in the industry.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes back Shawn Khunkhun to the show. Shawn Khunkhun is CEO, President, & Director, Dolly Varden Silver Corp. The interview centers on the current state of the precious metals market, with a particular focus on silver and gold. Khunkhun explains that silver has been in a structural deficit for years, with annual demand exceeding supply by approximately 200 million ounces. After a significant price surge from $40 to $120, the market recently experienced a correction, which Khunkhun views as a healthy part of the bull market. Khunkhun remains bullish on silver, arguing that production cannot meet demand until the next decade. He highlights growing industrial demand, particularly from the electric vehicle market and solar panel industries. The silver market is complex, with only one in four ounces coming from primary mines, making price incentives challenging for producers.

The conversation shifts into geopolitical factors affecting precious metals, including the growing divide between physical and paper markets. Khunkhun emphasizes the different cultural attitudes towards gold and silver in Eastern and Western countries, noting that many regions view these metals as critical wealth preservation tools, especially during economic uncertainty.

Recently, Dolly Varden merged with Contango Ore in a strategic move to create a more robust precious metals company. Khunkhun sees this as an opportunity to leverage Contango’s cash flow and expertise to develop Dolly Varden’s silver properties, creating a unique North American precious metals business. Looking ahead, Khunkhun believes the precious metals market is still in its early stages. He anticipates continued volatility but sees significant potential for growth, particularly if global asset allocation to precious metals increases from its current less than 0.5%. He remains optimistic about gold and silver, suggesting potential prices of $150 per ounce for silver and potentially $8,000 to $9,000 per ounce for gold in the future.

Timestamps:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:00:41 – Precious Metals Volatility Surge
00:03:02 – Strong Bull Case Silver
00:04:20 – Incentivizing Silver Production Levels
00:06:34 – Industrial Demand Substitutions
00:09:09 – Paper vs Physical Markets
00:11:33 – Geopolitical Physical Demand
00:16:00 – Silver Premiums East/West
00:21:15 – Gold Future Recession Impact
00:24:12 – Financial Reset Possibilities
00:26:17 – Company Merger Rationale
00:31:22 – Mining M&A Activity State
00:39:22 – Volatility Concerns

Guest Links:

Website:: https://dollyvardensilver.com

X: https://x.com/SilverVarden

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/dolly-varden-silver-corp

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK4YE6ftyxv4G-6zu9BYJvgerved=0

Mr. Shawn Khunkhun has over 20 years of expertise in capital markets and mineral exploration, with a strong focus on creating shareholder value. Over his career, he has facilitated over $2 billion in capital raises, playing a transformative role in advancing exploration, development, and production companies. In his leadership roles as CEO, Director, and Executive Chairman, Mr. Khunkhun has been instrumental in elevating the profiles of undervalued companies and driving strategic growth.

Mr. Khunkhun’s success in incubating and scaling companies through capital raises, acquisitions, and spinouts is powered by an extensive network of high-net-worth investors, private equity, institutional investors, analysts, brokers, and bankers.

Mr. Khunkhun currently serves as a Director of Goldshore Resources and Gladiator Metals and as Director & Executive Chairman of Strike Point Gold. Additionally, he advises West Red Lake Gold Mines, Nations Royalty, and NexGold and is the Founder of Argenta Silver.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Dr. Nomi Prins to the show. Dr. Nomi Prins is Founder of Prinsights Global and Substack. This interview centers on the current state of precious metals markets, particularly gold and silver, highlighting significant market dynamics and future potential. Dr. Prins explains the recent volatility in precious metals, particularly the substantial price drop in silver, as primarily driven by technical trading events rather than fundamental market shifts. Nomi emphasizes that the sell-off was more a result of programmatic trading and margin announcements than actual market valuation changes. A key focus is the growing disconnect between paper and physical silver markets, with Shanghai exchanges showing substantial premiums for physical silver. Dr. Prins attributes this to increased eastern interest in physical metals, driven by geopolitical considerations, store of value concerns, and industrial necessities. She notes that the silver market is experiencing its fifth consecutive year of supply deficits, with the total deficit now equivalent to one year’s demand.

Regarding gold, multiple drivers are propelling its momentum, including geopolitical tensions, central bank purchasing, and potential future scarcity. Central banks are increasingly viewing gold as a strategic asset, with some institutions like Morgan Stanley recommending higher gold allocations in investment portfolios. Dr. Prins believes the precious metals market is still in its early stages, comparing it to being in the “first or second innings” of a potential long-term bull market. She highlights the critical minerals landscape, pointing out that 80% of critical minerals are processed outside the West, with China dominating processing capabilities for rare earth elements and other strategic metals. Looking forward, she sees significant investment opportunities in the sector, potentially offering substantial returns for long-term investors who understand the fundamental shifts in global commodity markets. Her analysis suggests that geopolitical tensions, supply chain restructuring, and increasing demand for critical minerals will continue to drive precious metals and related investments.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:00:47 – Recent Metals Volatility

00:02:51 – Shanghai Silver Premium

00:03:14 – Physical vs Paper Silver

00:06:22 – Silver Supply Deficits

00:08:05 – Incentivizing New Supply

00:09:38 – Industrial Demand Pain Points

00:11:07 – Gold Bull Market Drivers

00:14:15 – Central Bank Gold Buying

00:17:28 – Long-term Investment Strategy

00:19:49 – Global Debt Levels

00:22:07 – Demographics and Economic Growth

00:25:19 – Critical Minerals Supply Chains

00:28:58 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

X: https://x.com/nomiprins

Website: https://nomiprins.com

Substack: https://prinsights.substack.com

Dr. Nomi Prins as a Wall Street insider and outspoken advocate for economic reform, Nomi Prins is a leading authority on how the widespread impact of financial systems continues to affect our daily lives. She has spent decades analyzing and investigating economic and financial events at the ground level and meeting with those that shape the world’s geopolitical-economic framework. She continues to break stories by conducting independent research, writing best-selling books, and traversing the globe to share her knowledge and demystify the world of money.

Before becoming a renowned journalist and public speaker, Nomi reached the upper echelons of the financial world where she worked as a managing director at Goldman Sachs, ran the international analytics group as a senior managing director at Bear Stearns in London, was a strategist at Lehman Brothers and an analyst at the Chase Manhattan Bank. During her time on Wall Street, she grew increasingly aware of and discouraged by the unethical practices that permeated the banking industry. Eventually, she decided enough was enough and became an investigative journalist to shed light on the ways that financial systems are manipulated to serve the interests of an elite few at the expense of everyone else.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Mario Innecco to the show. Mario Innecco is Financial and Macro Economic Analyst, and also host of the ‘Manneco64’ YouTube Channel. The discussion centers on the current bull market in gold and silver, driven by several fundamental factors. Innecco highlights four primary drivers: de-dollarization, global debt challenges, geopolitical uncertainty, and the transition from a paper to a physical precious metals market. The de-dollarization trend is particularly significant, with countries seeking alternatives to the US dollar-dominated system. Central banks are increasingly buying gold, potentially aiming to hold 40% or more of their reserves in physical gold. The massive global debt, now around 300 trillion dollars, is making it increasingly difficult for governments to manage financial obligations, leading to potential financial repression and currency devaluation.

Mario emphasizes the importance of the Shanghai Gold Exchange in challenging the traditional Western paper trading markets. The exchange represents a shift towards physical trading, which could fundamentally change how precious metals are valued. He suggests that the transition from a paper to a physical market makes it harder to manipulate gold and silver prices.

Looking at potential price targets, Innecco draws parallels with historical bull markets, suggesting gold could reach as high as $8,300 based on previous price movements. He also discusses the possibility of a gold revaluation by the US Treasury, which could provide a financial windfall without adding to the national debt. The conversation extends to silver, which Innecco believes will continue to outperform gold, particularly in the latter stages of the current bull market. He recommends a conservative investment approach, suggesting investors allocate 90% to physical precious metals and 10% to mining stocks.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:12 – Gold’s Fundamental Drivers

00:04:30 – Debt and Financial Repression

00:05:10 – Paper Market Ending

00:09:42 – Silver Market Bifurcation

00:11:01 – Central Bank Buying

00:14:56 – Global Debt Inflation

00:19:51 – Gold Revaluation Potential

00:23:03 – Mystery Gold Flows

00:26:29 – BRICS Currency Remonetization

00:29:00 – Historical Bull Parallels

00:34:26 – Silver Bullish Breakout

00:39:27 – Commodity Rotation Outlook

Guest Links:

X: https://x.com/maneco1964

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/maneco64

Mario Innecco is a seasoned financial markets and macroeconomics analyst with over 25 years of experience in the industry. He began his career in private banking in Geneva, Switzerland, before spending two decades in the City of London, specializing in exchange-traded derivatives, government bonds, interest rates, and broader economic trends. During this time, he advised major financial institutions and corporate clients on market strategies and risk management.

A dedicated proponent of the Austrian School of Economics, Mario founded the maneco64 YouTube channel in November 2015, which serves as a platform for alternative economics and contrarian views. Through his videos, blog articles, and social media, he educates a worldwide audience on the intricacies of the fiat monetary system, financial markets, and the enduring value of precious metals like gold and silver.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Chris Rutherglen to the show. Chris Rutherglen is PhD Scientist/Engineer, Level 3 CFA, and publisher ‘The Gold Investor Research’ Substack. Chris provides a comprehensive analysis of gold and silver market cycles, utilizing a scientific approach to forecasting price movements. He explains that gold typically moves through distinct cycles, with particular focus on the current “rate cut period” and potential future “quantitative easing (QE) period”. Using sophisticated analytical tools, he tracks gold’s price movements relative to the Federal Reserve’s interest rate changes and monetary supply.

Rutherglen suggests gold is approaching its fifth intermediate cycle high, with a potential target range of $4,900 to $5,200. However, he believes the market may extend to a sixth intermediate cycle, potentially reaching around $6,700. Looking further ahead, he proposes a more dramatic long-term projection of gold potentially reaching $24,000 in the 2030s, based on historical debt-to-money supply ratios. For silver, Rutherglen applies similar analytical methods, projecting potential prices around $840, though he emphasizes these are speculative estimates based on current monetary trends. He notes that silver’s current price, while seeming high, is relatively consistent with historical inflation-adjusted prices.

Chris highlights several key indicators for tracking these cycles, including call and put option volumes, central bank purchases, and the relationship between gold prices and moving averages. He stresses that a true QE period would likely require significant economic stress, prompting substantial monetary intervention. His analysis suggests the current gold bull market still has potential room to grow, with the most significant gains potentially occurring during the future QE period. Rutherglen recommends investors remain attentive to economic indicators and be prepared for potential market shifts. Listeners can find more detailed analysis on his Gold Investor Research Substack, where he provides weekly updates and in-depth reports on precious metals market cycles.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:00:51 – Gold Cycle Position Overview

00:06:11 – Rate Cut Period Dynamics

00:08:16 – Mid-Cycle Level Explained

00:12:40 – Government Debt Impact

00:18:04 – Sixth Intermediate Cycle

00:22:25 – Market Indicators Analysis

00:25:35 – Gold Price Targets

00:30:18 – Options Volume Insights

00:33:21 – East-West Gold Flows

00:36:05 – Central Bank Purchases

00:37:48 – Bull Run Projections

00:40:06 – Silver Price Analysis

00:48:01 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Substack: https://giresearch.substack.com

X: https://x.com/CRutherglen

Chris Rutherglen is a private investor whose primary occupation is in science & engineering with a focus on novel semiconductor devices for microwave and mm-wave applications. He began investing in the precious metal space in 2003 and has done well following a value-oriented investment approach. Although he has never been employed in the finance/investment field professionally, he did complete level 3 of the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) program in 2011. Chris has a BS in physics from the California Institute of Technology and a Ph.D. in Electrical Computer Engineering from the University of California, Irvin