The Reality Of Reality

“You want to be on top?” Hannah Kat Jones was — and now she’s here to share her story.


Hannah competed on Cycle 16 of America’s Next Top Model, making it all the way to the Top 3. During her time on the show, she modeled in trash, wore bees on her head, and was even set on fire — all in the name of reality television.


In this episode, Hannah reflects on what it was truly like competing on America’s Next Top Model — the highs, the lows, and the moments that still feel unbelievable. She shares her thoughts on the new Netflix documentary, Tyra Banks, the Jays, and how she views the show today.
This is The Reality Of: America’s Next Top Model.

Ever wonder what it’s like to make a competition reality show? In this episode, Beast Games producer Sean Klitzner takes us behind the scenes of one of the biggest productions in the genre. From developing large-scale challenges and managing a Mr. Beast-sized budget to casting the right competitors and breaking world records, Sean shares what it truly takes to produce a show at this level.

We also dive into the Beast Games x Survivor crossover. For the first time, Sean walks through exactly how the collaboration actually came together — including flying to Fiji, meeting Jeff Probst, and competing on Survivor for 36 hours alongside a group of influencers.

Step inside the mind of a producer and discover The Reality Of: Beast Games.

Being on three major reality shows isn’t easy — but if anyone can do it, it’s Kyland Young. In this episode, Kyland looks back on his time on Big Brother, including what it was like being part of one of the most iconic alliances in reality TV history: The Cookout.

Then we dive deep into his experience on The Challenge — from living in the house and navigating the social politics, to competing in grueling finals, managing alcohol limits, and surviving the, rather boring, filming schedule. 

And of course, we get into the tea! Kyland shares his thoughts on overrated challengers, aspects of the show he’d change, his dream competitors to face off against, and so much more.

If you’re a Challenge fan, you won’t want to miss Kyland breaking down The Reality Of: The Challenge.

Currently serving as chief stew on Below Deck Down Under, Daisy Kelliher breaks down her journey on the Below Deck franchise — and this is far from her first time on deck. We talk about her life before the show, the chaos of Below Deck Sailing Yacht, the differences between Captain Glenn and Captain Jason, what it’s really like working with Chef Ben and João, and how she spent her time in between seasons.

And yes — we get into the Housewives. Daisy shares behind-the-scenes stories from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City charter, including the fights, the fun, and how she managed to sneak a stew off the boat without anyone noticing.

So grab your epaulettes and climb aboard The Reality Of Reality for The Reality Of: Below Deck.

Did you really think I’d let Josh leave Los Angeles without bringing him back on the podcast? We had wayyyy too much left to cover. In this episode, we’re recapping his time in LA and reminiscing about some of our favorite (and drunkest) moments.

And while this is a reality TV podcast, we couldn’t skip Tell Me Lies. We dive into the wild fan theories, the Pippa hate / Wrigley love, Lucy’s horrible decisions, and I educate Josh on who Stephen DeMarco’s mom is — both in real life and on the show.

We also wrap up the current season of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, breaking down the reunion and finally getting to the bottom of what really happened on that damn plane! Plus, we touch on Vanderpump Rules, Southern Charm, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Kyle and Amanda’s breakup, The Traitors, and more.

Tune in to hear Josh somehow correctly predict who would end up touching Lisa Rinna’s amulet — and judge me for all of my unpopular Bravo opinions.