The SAF Podcast: Emerging Fuels Technology - Why Biogas is more than just hot air for SAF
In this episode of The SAF Podcast, David Lloyd from Emerging Fuel Technology joins Oscar to discuss sustainable aviation fuel production, biogas feedstocks, and the challenges of scaling renewable fuel projects. Lloyd, a former airline strategy executive turned SAF technology entrepreneur, shares his transition from Qantas to the emerging fuels sector and explains why biogas represents an untapped opportunity in sustainable aviation fuel production.The conversation explores Fischer-Tropsch technology's century-long history, from World War Two applications to its modern applications in renewable fuel production. Lloyd argues that biogas and renewable natural gas offer significant advantages over traditional SAF feedstocks, potentially providing 30% of US jet fuel supply from existing landfills alone. He challenges conventional thinking about project scale, advocating for smaller, replicable facilities rather than massive billion-dollar plants that face lengthy development cycles and higher risks.Key topics include the economics of different SAF pathways, the role of government mandates versus subsidies in driving adoption, and why the "green premium" terminology may need revision. Lloyd discusses power-to-liquid fuels, comparing eSAF production costs with biosynthetic alternatives, and examines how renewable natural gas infrastructure creates opportunities for distributed SAF production.The episode addresses critical industry challenges including capital expenditure optimization, investor expectations, and the technology valley of death that many startups face. Lloyd's insights on replicating successful models from the ethanol industry provide valuable perspectives on scaling sustainable aviation fuel production efficiently while managing financial and technical risks in the rapidly evolving clean energy sector.If you enjoy this join us for SAF Investor New York on 23rd September as part of New York Climate Week. Find out more here: https://eu1.hubs.ly/H0mv63z0
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The SAF Podcast: AIRCO - The art of revenue generation during development
This week on The SAF Podcast we are joined by Greg Constantine, Co-Founder & CEO, AIRCO (Formerly Air Company). Originally from Australia, Greg explains the strategy behind building out technology development from revenue generating consumer products like carbon negative Vodka, hand sanitizer and perfume building towards production of Sustainable Aviation Fuel. This allows for ongoing revenue generation and less reliance on raising outside investment. Constantine explains their technology-licensing business model, contrasting it with the capital-intensive mega-project approaches favored by many competitors in the power-to-liquid (PTL) space. This strategy allows them to avoid massive FID funding rounds while still scaling sustainable aviation fuel production globally.Their strong partnerships with the US military have provided rigorous testing opportunities across air, land, and marine vehicles, validating their technology beyond what's possible in purely commercial settings. After closing a $70 million Series B funding round with strategic investors including JetBlue, Alaska Airlines, and Toyota Ventures, AIRCO is positioning itself as a technology provider rather than a large-scale fuel producer—focusing on licensing their technology to established operators who can scale production globally.Constantine also discusses the challenges of balancing emissions reduction with cost competitiveness in the eSAF market, where fuels can cost seven times more than conventional jet fuel. The conversation then moves to feedstock flexibility, policy implications for e-fuels development and which policy structures he finds most practical. Check out the full conversation to find out more. Want to learn more about sustainable aviation fuel investment opportunities? Join us at the SAF Investor New York conference on September 23rd during New York Climate Week. Find out more information here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/148108/saf-investor-new-york-2025-new/
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The SAF Podcast: Synhelion - Harnessing the power of the sun
In this episode of The SAF Podcast, host Oscar Henderson speaks with Gianluca Ambrosetti, CEO and co-founder of Synhelion, to explore the future of solar fuels and their role in scaling sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) production. Synhelion’s pioneering thermochemical process converts CO₂ and biomass-derived carbon into renewable liquid fuels using high-temperature solar heat and thermal energy storage—delivering continuous, 24/7 production without relying on costly green hydrogen.Gianluca shares his journey from physicist to clean-energy entrepreneur, explains the technical differences between solar fuels, e-fuels, and biofuels, and details how Synhelion’s technology achieves high carbon efficiency and cost-competitive production targets—potentially under €1 per litre at commercial scale. The discussion covers their Dawn pilot plant in Germany, which integrates both concentrated solar power and photovoltaic-powered heating, enabling full end-to-end SAF production and critical scale-up learning.We also examine feedstock strategies, including biomethane and CO₂ utilisation, location selection for optimal solar conditions, and the logistics of transporting high-energy-density fuels globally with minimal emissions. Gianluca outlines Synhelion’s scale-up roadmap, including intermediate commercial steps to de-risk investment, the importance of strategic and institutional partnerships, and the role of policy frameworks, mandates, and debt guarantees in financing large-scale SAF facilities.If you enjoy the podcast, join us at SAF Investor New York where we are bringing together industry leaders to discuss the critical issues around accelerating capital deployment in SAF production. We would love to see as many of you there! You can register through the following link: https://corporate-jet-investor.myshopify.com/collections/saf-investor-new-york
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The SAF Podcast: SMBC - All things not the same for equity and debt financing
In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we sit down with Martin Forman, Director at Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation (SMBC), to explore the challenges and opportunities in financing sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) projects. With a background spanning energy M&A, hydrogen, CCS, and biofuels, Martin brings a pan-European and global view on decarbonisation finance.We discuss why Japanese institutions—particularly trading houses and banks—have become such active SAF investors, and how Japan’s domestic SAF mandates are triggering large-scale international investments. Martin explains SMBC’s strategic interest across the SAF value chain, from project lending to aircraft leasing and storage infrastructure, and outlines what makes a SAF project attractive from a lender's perspective.The conversation dives deep into equity versus debt in project finance, the challenges of funding first-of-a-kind SAF technologies, and the growing importance of public-private partnerships. Martin shares candid insights on why equity—more than debt—is the bottleneck, and how regulation, price certainty, and government support mechanisms like Project SkyPower are critical for unlocking financing and achieving 2030 mandate targets.Finally, Forman discusses SMBC's preference for club lending arrangements, strategic sponsors over financial investors, and the importance of proximity to feedstock sources. If you enjoyed this discussion check out our previous episode with Richard Mathers, Honeywell here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17475885
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The SAF Podcast: Honeywell - Evolving, acquiring and forming alliances
In this episode of The SAF Podcast we are joined by Richard Mathers, Senior Director of Business Development at Honeywell Sustainable Technology Solutions, for an in-depth exploration of Honeywell’s expanding role in sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) technology. If you follow any form of SAF news, you will have heard of Honeywell given their announcements of the ongoing $1.8bn all cash acquisition of Johnson Matthey's Catalyst Technology solutions business and the formation of the SAF Alliance alongside Johnson Matthey, Samsung Electronics E&A, GIDARA Energy. These collaborations aim to streamline project delivery, reduce capital expenditure by up to 10%, and accelerate project timelines by 15%. First, Richard walks us through Honeywell’s approach to technology licensing, project financing, and feedstock flexibility across multiple SAF pathways—including HEFA, ethanol-to-jet, methanol-to-jet (eFining), and FT-Unicracking.Richard explains the critical role technology licensors play beyond just providing technology – from performance guarantees and warranties to supporting project finance and reducing perceived risks throughout the project lifecycle.Richard provides valuable insights into technology licensing benefits, project financing considerations, and how Honeywell's evolutionary approach to proven technologies helps de-risk SAF production investments.If you enjoyed this discussion check out our previous episode with SKyNRG and ICF discussing their recent Global Market Outlook report here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17435560
Welcome to The SAF Podcast, the only podcast on the internet that exclusively covers sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). So if you want to find out the real issues and challenges are for commercialising and scaling SAF production, look no further.Every week we will be hearing from senior industry leaders who are actively shaping the future of SAF and aviation. Hosted by Oscar Henderson and brought to you by the team at SAF Investor. Connect with us at www.safinvestor.com
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