The SAF Podcast

• The SAF Podcast with Dani Charles, Veriflux: AI as the co-pilot for compliance

  In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we welcome back our first returning guest, Dani Charles, CEO and Co-Founder of Veriflux. Following his deep dive into U.S. policy in his first appearance, Dani returns to unpack the increasingly critical—and complex—world of feedstock traceability in sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) production and how AI can could be the secret to doing it accurately at scale.  Dani explains why relying on spreadsheets are no longer viable at scale and how best-of-breed technology is essential for managing dynamic trade flows, compliance uncertainty, and complex conversions across liquid, solid, and gaseous feedstocks. Does anyone actually know how many bushels make up a bale and how many bales to a ton? AI offers practical solutions that address real industry pain points. Rather than futuristic robots making decisions, think of it as a "co-pilot for compliance" that can extract information from bills of lading in seconds rather than hours, reconcile data across systems, and ultimately compress days of manual work into automated processes that happen seamlessly in the background. For an industry drowning in paperwork and cross-border regulations, this technological evolution couldn't come at a better time.We also explore recent developments in U.S. policy, where proposed extensions to the 45Z tax credit could provide regulatory certainty through 2031 while potentially reshaping feedstock preferences toward crop-based materials. SAF Investor London 2025 is running on the 28th-29th May and is filled with key industry players discussing the critical challenges around scaling SAF investment globally. If this is of interest find out more here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/You can also listen to our previous episode with Kwame Bekoe, AfriSAF where we discuss growing investment in SAF production and feedstock procurement across Africa here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/17070781-the-saf-podcast-afrisaf-tapping-into-saf-s-continental-sleeping-giant.mp3?download=true

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• The SAF Podcast : AfriSAF - Tapping into SAF's continental sleeping giant

  This week we are joined on The SAF Podcast by Kwame Bekoe, AfriSAF. With over 20 years of aviation experience spanning engineering, sales, and sustainability, Kwame shares his vision for Africa as a major player in the global SAF industry. He discusses how the continent’s vast agricultural residue—estimated at over 150 million tons annually—can be leveraged to produce SAF, fostering energy independence and economic growth.We examine AfriSAF’s model of integrating smallholder farmers into a data-driven supply chain, using digital platforms and pilot biodigester projects to prove the value of waste-to-energy conversion. Kwame outlines how AfriSAF is targeting scalable SAF production in countries like Ghana, Kenya, Rwanda, Ethiopia and many others. What makes this particularly compelling is how it addresses multiple challenges simultaneously. For African nations struggling with energy security, SAF production offers domestic fuel sources at potentially competitive prices – Kwame suggests Africa could be one of the few places where SAF might achieve cost parity with conventional jet fuel. For rural communities facing limited economic opportunities, these projects create meaningful employment that keeps people connected to their agricultural roots while participating in the green economy. And for a continent with the world's youngest population (averaging just 19 years old) that's projected to reach 2.5 billion people by 2050, developing sustainable industries now creates the foundation for long-term prosperity.The challenges are substantial – from infrastructure limitations to investor risk perception – but the momentum is building. With the African Continental Free Trade Area creating the world's largest open market and continental initiatives promoting easier movement across borders, the conditions for a thriving pan-African SAF industry are emerging. Through strategic partnerships with governments, airlines, and financial institutions, Africa need not just be a consumer of sustainable aviation fuel but could eventually become a significant global producer and exporter.Want to learn more about SAF development in emerging markets? Join us at SAF Investor London on May 28-29th, and you can find out more here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

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• The SAF Podcast with Robert Courts: Pulling back the curtain on UK policy development

  In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we go behind the curtain of UK sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) policy with former Aviation Minister and former Member of Parliament for the UK Robert Courts. Listeners will gain a rare glimpse into the complexities of government policymaking—from managing cross-departmental collaboration and limited civil service bandwidth to ensuring stakeholder engagement and long-term adaptability.Courts candidly addresses industry concerns about implementation timelines, revealing the unavoidable bandwidth limitations within government and the necessity of thorough consultation. He takes us through the formation of the Jet Zero Council (now Task Force), explaining how it transformed the government-industry relationship from policy being "done to" industry to being developed "with" industry. We also discuss the Green Fuels Green Skies competition which paved the way for the Advanced Fuel Fund which has given grants to numerous leading SAF production technology developers in the UK. This collaborative approach has survived changes in government precisely because sustainable aviation enjoys broad cross-party support.You can also find out about the process of developing policy, exemplified by the development of the Revenue Certainty Mechanism. We look at the pros and cons of this long process and actually discuss why these processes are in place. We finish by looking at the big challenges in developing the infrastructure for domestic SAF production as well as what policy makers wish industry understood more about the policy making process. Make sure you check this episode out to get behind the process of policy development and why policy takes the shape it does. Find out previous episode where we looked at the investment landscape in the UK and where investment is going here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16944093

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• The SAF Podcast: Innovate UK Business Connect: Connecting SAF's dot to dot

   In this episode of The SAF Podcast, Oscar sits down with Michelle Carter, Head of Transport at Innovate UK Business Connect, to explore the current state and future trajectory of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) in the UK. With over a decade of experience in SAF, Michelle offers a unique lens into the evolution of the UK’s SAF ecosystem—from early-stage innovation to national mandates and public awareness. The conversation delves into the UK's position in the global SAF market, revealing that the country attracts just over 1% of global SAF investment, with a surprising 29% focused on power-to-liquid technology. Even more revealing is that domestic investment remains strikingly low compared to foreign capital pouring in from Europe and the United States. Michelle discusses the critical role of the UK SAF Clearing House in helping innovative technologies navigate regulatory landscapes and the importance of domestic versus imported production.The episode highlights interesting contrasts between UK and international investment patterns, particularly examining Spain's success with operational SAF facilities. Michelle explains how government policies like the SAF mandate and renewable certainty mechanism aim to stimulate growth in domestic production, targeting 2% sustainable jet fuel by 2025 and 10% by 2030.The conversation also covers international comparisons, such as Spain’s refinery-led approach, and why the UK still imports most of its SAF. We delve into public perception, noting that 70% of UK adults still don’t know what SAF is—highlighting the critical role of airlines, airports, and producers in improving consumer education. The regional variations in understanding—particularly how Wales demonstrated superior knowledge about waste-gas pathways due to local industry initiatives—highlight both the challenges and opportunities in consumer education. As Michelle notes, "If you communicate with the right narrative, people get it and they understand it."Whether you are a UK local or from another geography, understanding the challenges and work being done in the UK, and across the globe is critical to decarbonise aviation globally. You can find both reports referred to in our discussion here: https://iuk-business-connect.org.uk/knowledge-centre/perspectives/?_sft_sector=transportCheck out our previous conversation with Mac Irvine, Jet Zero Australia here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16017375

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• The SAF Podcast: Aether Fuels - Pulling SAF out of thin air

  Connor Madigan, founder of Aether Fuels, joins Oscar on this week's episode of The SAF Podcast.  Madigan shares his journey from founding a successful OLED manufacturing equipment company to pioneering a transformative approach to SAF technology through Aether's Aurora solution. At the heart of our conversation is Aether Fuels'  Aurora technology, developed with GTI Energy, which reimagines the traditional Fischer-Tropsch process for sustainable fuel production. By focusing on the syngas generation and upgrading steps, their system achieves up to 50% capital cost reduction and 20% higher yields than conventional approaches. Conor expertly breaks down how their "tri-conversion" reactor and innovative catalysts simplify production while maximizing carbon utilisation.We also explore the evolving landscape of SAF offtake agreements, where Conor provides valuable insights into the tension between investors requiring long-term contracts and airlines traditionally accustomed to shorter fuel purchasing timeframes. His perspective on how creative deal structures are emerging to balance risk and opportunity illuminates a critical aspect of scaling sustainable fuels.Madigan also provides a nuanced perspective on strategic investor selection, highlighting the importance of partners who bring deep market understanding beyond pure capital. We also look at how this is managed against a backdrop of higher policy uncertainty and how to adapt to work with less policy certainty.If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous discussion with Mukund Karanjikar, CleanJoule: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15427620

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