What is The Future for Cities?

“The meta story is that we go from few large expensive to many small cheap… the cities are the many small, and instead of being cheap, they can be many small quick. Compared to national policy to change the energy system, it’s lightning fast.”
Are you interested in the internetification of energy? What do you think about the energynet? How can we rethink how our urban grid is serving us?
Interview with Jonas Birgersson, founder and vice chairman of the Board of ViaEuropa. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, the energynet, flexible resource use, cities as catalysts, local energy markets, and many more.
Jonas "Birger" Birgersson is a Swedish serial entrepreneur and visionary known for creating two billion-dollar companies before age 30. He founded Framtidsfabriken (Framfab), a pioneering digital design and ecommerce powerhouse serving clients like Volvo, IKEA, and Nike, and Svenska Bredbandsbolaget (BBB), the world’s first modern broadband operator. Sold to Telenor in 2005, BBB transformed Sweden into a global digital leader and earned him the nickname “Broadband Jesus.” Today, through ViaEuropa and Project Energy Society, he is pioneering EnergyNet - a decentralised electricity grid enabling local sharing and abundance, applying the same “Fiber to all” philosophy to energy.
Find out more about Jonas through these links:
Jonas Birgersson on Wikipedia
ViaEuropa website
Making the electricity grid work like the internet - Jonas Birgersson on the Volts podcast
The Grid Doesn't Need More Power Plants (It Needs This) - Jonas Birgesson and EnergyNet on Undecided with Matt Ferrell
Connected episodes you might be interested in:
No.425R - The Energy Foundation (book summary)
No.426 - Interview with AJ Perkins about energy as the foundation of everything
No.459R - National Standard Practice Manual - For benefit-cost analysis of distributed energy resources - Summary
No.460 - Interview with Karl R. Rábago about distributed energy systems
No.479R - EnergyNet explained: Internetification of energy distribution
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Are you interested in the internetification of energy? What do you think about the energynet? How can we rethink how our urban grid is serving us?
Trailer for episode 480 - interview with Jonas Birgersson, founder and vice chairman of the Board of ViaEuropa. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, the energynet, flexible resource use, cities as catalysts, local energy markets, and many more.
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Are you interested in how to create an energy system in the 21st century?
Debate of the article titled EnergyNet explained: Internetification of energy distribution from 2025, by Jonas Birgersson, Dr. Marc A. Weiss, Dr. Jimmy Chen, Dr. Daniel Kammen, Dr. Tomas Kåberger, Dr. Franklin Carrero-Martínez, Dr. Joakim Wernberg, Dr. Michael Menser, and Dr. Newsha K. Ajami.
This is a great preparation to our next interview with Jonas Brigersson in episode 480 talking about distributed energy systems and the EnergyNet itself.
Since we are investigating the future of cities, I thought it would be interesting to see how we can implement the thinking of internet to energy systems. This article introduces a groundbreaking blueprint for decentralising electricity distribution.
Find the article through this link.
Abstract: In developing EnergyNet we have leveraged and are extending lessons from telecom's shift from a centralized, circuit-switched phone system to decentralized, packet-switched data networks. EnergyNet utilizes 1) an Energy Router that enforces galvanic separation and utilizes software-controlled energy flows over a DC backplane, 2) Energy Local and Wide Area Networks (ELAN/EWAN) based on DC microgrids that interconnect through an open Energy Protocol (EP), and 3) a control plane comprised of the Energy Router Operating System (EROS) and EP Server which is managed at operator scale through an Energy Network Management System (ENMS). We distinguish the architectural contribution (Tier-1 including components, interfaces, and operating model) from expected outcomes contingent on adoption (Tier-2). The latter includes local-first autonomy with global interoperability, near-real-time operation with local buffering, removal of EV-charging bottlenecks, freed grid capacity for data centers and industrial electrification, as well as a trend toward low, predictable, fixed-cost clean energy. Evidence from early municipal demonstrators illustrates feasibility and migration paths. The contribution is a coherent, open, and testable blueprint for software-defined, decentralized energy distribution, aligning power-systems engineering with networking principles and offering a practical route from legacy, synchronous grids to resilient, digitally routed energy distribution systems.
Connected episodes you might be interested in:
No.425R - The Energy Foundation (book summary)
No.426 - Interview with AJ Perkins about energy as the foundation of everything
No.459R - National Standard Practice Manual - For benefit-cost analysis of distributed energy resources - Summary
No.460 - Interview with Karl R. Rábago about distributed energy systems
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Are you interested in the internetification of energy? What do you think about the energynet? How can we rethink how our urban grid is serving us?
Trailer for episode 480 - interview with Jonas Birgersson, founder and vice chairman of the Board of ViaEuropa. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, the energynet, flexible resource use, cities as catalysts, local energy markets, and many more.
Find out more in the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠episode⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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Are you interested in the internetification of energy? What do you think about the energynet? How can we rethink how our urban grid is serving us?
Trailer for episode 480 - interview with Jonas Birgersson, founder and vice chairman of the Board of ViaEuropa. We will talk about his vision for the future of cities, the energynet, flexible resource use, cities as catalysts, local energy markets, and many more.
Find out more in the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠episode⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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