Leaders with Francine Lacqua

Shell Chief Executive Officer Wael Sawan joins Francine Lacqua to discuss the oil major's controversial strategy around the energy transition, and fostering a culture that shifts from “all-knowing” to “all-learning.” He reflects on navigating volatility in the global energy system, emphasizing disciplined decision-making and focusing on what leaders can influence going forward. This interview was recorded on Dec. 11, 2025
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In next week's episode, host Francine Lacqua speaks with Wael Sawan, chief executive of oil giant Shell. Here's a preview of that conversation where he shares his outlook for global energy demand.
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HSBC CEO Georges Elhedery joins Francine Lacqua to explain why he is “ruthless about killing complexity” as he pushes through an AI-fuelled overhaul of one of the world’s biggest banks. He reflects on leadership, integrity and cultural fluency, and shares how HSBC is adapting to geopolitical tensions, shifting trade routes and the rapid rise of generative AI.
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In next week's episode, host Francine Lacqua speaks with Georges Elhedery, chief executive of banking giant HSBC. Here's a preview of that conversation where he talks about why the use of artificial intelligence at the bank is not optional.
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Having navigated some of life’s most defining transitions, Melinda French Gates reflects on the choices that set her path—from Microsoft executive to philanthropist and now founder of Pivotal. She shares how values-based leadership, resilience and the courage to embrace “the next day” have guided her through change, power and public scrutiny.

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