Jesus the Legend

Welcome back to Jesus the Legend. I’m really happy to welcome back to the show my New Zealand friend, Graeme Carle.

Graeme has been with us before and we had a great conversation about tithing—so if you haven’t listened to that one yet, I’d encourage you to go back to Episodes 39 and 40. I think you’ll really enjoy it. Graeme has been working in churches for years and he has also worked part-time in the oil industry as a logistics analyst.

He has done work in Nepal, with a medical mission before moving to Colorado as a Bible teacher and ministry trainer. He’s worked with YWAM, done itinerant ministry, taught systematic theology, conducted seminars, and just about everything else you can imagine.

Today, we’re going to do something a little outside what we’ve done on the show before. As you may or may not know, there are a few different theologies around eternity and what happens after we die—there’s the view of hell as eternal conscious torment, which most of us are familiar with; ultimate reconciliation, which is where I would land, believing that God’s ultimate plan is to restore all of humanity; and then there’s annihilationism.

I mentioned to Graeme the last time he was here that it would be interesting to have him on to talk about that perspective—not to argue or debate, but just to hear that side. And wherever you find yourself on these things, it’s good to remember—it’s not our views on eternity or the end times that get us into heaven, it’s Jesus. So we can have these conversations, love each other and rest easy.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend! I’m really excited about this episode for a couple reasons… One - because I think there are some practical things we can do in our walk with Jesus that will keep us on track. And Two - I have had several confirmations really close together to do this episode. Several nudges. Several moments that I felt like, “Okay Lord, I hear you.” So I’m thinking someone may be encouraged by this… and even if it’s just one person, as I keep saying - it’s worth it.  On the other hand, some of you may think this is the most underwhelming episode ever because the conclusions I’ve come to are less than astonishing. So buckle up and let’s see how this goes. 

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend… I’m really excited to let you know that we have Bill Vanderbush with us today, and we’re diving into some powerful and refreshing truths about Jesus and the heart of God.

Bill is a third-generation minister, author, and speaker with over 25 years of pastoral experience. Growing up on the mission field and traveling the world, he developed a deep passion for introducing people to the resurrection power of Jesus Christ and empowering believers to live in the fullness of their identity in Him.

His books explore mystical spirituality defined in Christ, the radical simplicity of the gospel, and the transformative fire of the Holy Spirit. Notable works include The Sound of Your Blood, The Fire is Not Optional and The Forgotten Way.

Together with his wife Traci (who’s also an Author & Speaker), Bill travels extensively, speaking at conferences and gatherings to ignite faith and help others "invade the impossible." He currently resides in the Austin, Texas area.

Again, thanks for joining in… let’s jump right in.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend… I’m really excited to let you know that we have Bill Vanderbush with us today, and we’re diving into some powerful and refreshing truths about Jesus and the heart of God.

Bill is a third-generation minister, author, and speaker with over 25 years of pastoral experience. Growing up on the mission field and traveling the world, he developed a deep passion for introducing people to the resurrection power of Jesus Christ and empowering believers to live in the fullness of their identity in Him.

His books explore mystical spirituality defined in Christ, the radical simplicity of the gospel, and the transformative fire of the Holy Spirit. Notable works include The Sound of Your Blood, The Fire is Not Optional and The Forgotten Way.

Together with his wife Traci (who’s also an Author & Speaker), Bill travels extensively, speaking at conferences and gatherings to ignite faith and help others "invade the impossible." He currently resides in the Austin, Texas area.

Again, thanks for joining in… let’s jump right in.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend! I am so happy to say that we have David Artman back with us!

David is a husband, banjo player, minister, and one of the leading voices in the world of Christian universalism. After more than 30 years in pastoral ministry, he’s now focusing on podcasting and engaging in the bigger spiritual conversations happening today.

He’s the author of Grace Saves All: The Necessity of Christian Universalism where he makes the case that God’s grace ultimately redeems all people—not as a stretch of Scripture, but as its most beautiful fulfillment. Through his podcast, Grace Saves All – Christianity and Universal Salvation, he explores the depth of God’s love with theologians, pastors, and seekers alike.

I’ve had David on the show before, and he’s just a great guy who’s genuinely passionate about sharing the good news that God’s grace is bigger than we’ve often imagined, and that His mercy truly endures forever.

This time, though, we’re mixing things up a bit. Today we’re going to play a game I like to call “Stump the Universalist.” I’ll be stepping into the role of someone who believes in eternal conscious torment (which, to be clear, I definitely don’t—not even a little), and I’ll throw some commonly used Scriptures his way. Then we’ll let David walk us through how he understands them.

It should make for a really fun—and helpful - conversation.

So settle in and let’s see if we can put the Christian Universalist on the spot…

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