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The Christian Past That Wasn't: Formerly Telling Jefferson Lies

Warren Throckmorton
The Christian Past That Wasn't: Formerly Telling Jefferson Lies
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    The Value of Religious Freedom: An Interview with Roger Finke

    07-08-2025 | 41 Min.
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    Roger Finke is distinguished professor emeritus of sociology and international affairs at Penn State University. Roger is also the founder of the Association of Religion Data Archives, which is an online archive of the best religion data available, a standard research tool for social scientists. He is the author of several books including the subject of today's interview: The Price of Freedom Denied: Religious Persecution and Conflict in the 21st Century (2011) co-authored with Brian Grim. 
    In this book, Grim and Finke found that as religious freedoms are denied in a society, both by government and by social groups within a society, religious persecution increases. Given the quasi-establishments of evangelical Christianity developing throughout the land, it is important to be aware of the potential consequences of these church-state alliances.  
    The Association of Religion Data Archives (ARDA) - www.thearda.com. The co-directors are Andrew Whitehead and Christopher Bader. Regular listeners will recall my interview with Andrew in episode 5. 
    Music provided by Earl's Taco Shack and Jonus Fair. 
    Artwork provided by Sarah Eshelman
    Produced and hosted by Warren Throckmorton
    The series will be on hold throughout the remainder of August while I complete The Christian Past That Wasn't, due out next year. You can pre-order it anywhere books are sold. The Amazon link is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0FCCCP71V
    The next episode will post sometime in September. Thanks for listening!
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    Does Christian Nationalism Work? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part Two

    02-08-2025 | 24 Min.
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    Today's segment is the second part of my interview with Paul Matzko, historian and senior program manager at the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. Paul is also an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. Our topic today is Paul's answer to the question: has Christian nationalism ever worked? 
    Listen in to find out. 
    As a part of addressing the question, Paul tells the story of Quaker martyr Mary Dyer. 
    Music provided by Earl's Taco Shack, Jonathan Swaim, and Jonus Fair. 
    Artwork by Sarah Eshelman.
    Hosted and produced by Warren Throckmorton
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    What is Christian Nationalism? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part One

    27-07-2025 | 38 Min.
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    Paul Matzko is a historian and senior program manager for AI and emerging technology at the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. He is also an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and host of the Unintended Consequences podcast. 
    Today, he joins me to discuss how Christian nationalism differs from citizen engagement with politics. Often Christian nationalists complain that they are simply living out their faith in the public square. However, Paul teases out the differences between policies which benefit the common good and those which are designed to benefit mainly or only Christians affiliated with the regime in power. 
    This is part one of a two-part interview. Next week, I will have the conclusion where Paul talks about the bitter consequences of Christian nationalism and addresses the question: Has Christian nationalism ever worked?
    Topics today:
    What is Christian nationalism?
    Christian nationalism and the ideology of South African apartheid
    Christian nationalism and Geralf L. K. Smith
    Billy Sunday and the Klan
    MAGA as the modern America First movement
    Christian nationalism is a different faith than orthodox Christianity
    Christian nationalism and public schools
    and much more...
    Music today is provided by Earl's Taco Shack, Jonus Fair, and Dustin Blatnik.
    Hosted and produced by Warren Throckmorton
    Artwork by Sarah Eshelman
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    The Crisis of Christian Nationalism: An Interview with Jemar Tisby

    18-07-2025 | 29 Min.
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    This segment includes a significant amount of a recent interview with historican and author Jemar Tisby. Although I interviewed Jemar in the spring, the content is incredibly timely and relevant now. In this discussion, we cover the Trump administration's war on due process, diversity programs, and foreign aid. 
    A recurring theme is the grift, greed, and cruelty of the Trump administration's Christian nationalism. Jemar challenges listeners to speak the truth and act to preserve our freedoms.   
    From the segment: "To put it in Christian terms, White Christian nationalism is wrong on a lot of levels, but if you want to talk about a very basic level, it's a violation of the third commandment: thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain. Which of course doesn't refer to to cussing or using bad words. It's fundamentally about not doing things in God's name that God would never condone."
    In response to the interview and recent events, I ask: Why is an administration which claims the US is a Christian nation known for its cruelty rather than compassion?"
    SHOW NOTES:
    Jemar Tisby's Substack: http://jemartisby.substack.com
    Non-violence training with the King Center, July 19, Noon-3pm (et): https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/train-in-nonviolence-with-the-king
    The Spirit of Justice: https://jemartisby.com/the-spirit-of-justice/
    Music provided by Earl's Taco Shack, Dustin Blatnik, and Jonus Fair.
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    Money, Lies, and God: An Interview with Katherine Stewart

    07-07-2025 | 49 Min.
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    Today I feature an interview with Katherine Stewart, the author of the New York Time bestseller Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy.  The segment is timely in that we discuss income disparities accentuated by the passage of the recent Trump budget. The dominance of Christian nationalism in the current administration isn't helping many of the foot soldiers who helped bring Trump to power. 
    Katherine discusses her new book and much more. Here is a sampling of topics:
    The uneasy coalitions in Christian nationalism and MAGA world
    The lifeblood of Christian nationalism: bad history
    Religious liberty means the freedom to do what Christian nationalists want to do
    Religion is a tool of autocratic leaders
    The threat of the New Right to American governance
    Power is what unites the religion of the New Right
    David Barton (Where's Waldo) is still active
    The rank and file are ultimately victims of the theology of power
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    Music is provided by Earl's Taco Shack and Jonus Fair. Artwork is by Sarah Eshelman.

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Season Three is coming. I am renaming the podcast The Christian Past That Wasn't to be consistent with the forthcoming book from Broadleaf Books, The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. This is so much more than a fact-checking book; it critiques the entire Christian nationalist project and misuse of history for political gain. Consistent with the first two seasons of this podcast, The Christian Past That Wasn't demonstrates that separation of church and state was the intention of the framers of the charter documents. We would be so much better off if we stayed true to separation of church and state in the US.Podcast episodes will focus on themes covered by the book and will begin in the Spring. Watch for trailers coming soon!Season Two is complete! Telling Jefferson Lies chronicles how history can be hijacked for ideological and political purposes, as well as a much broader story about the surge of Christian nationalism and the misuse of history which often goes along with it. The series begins with an in-depth consideration of the methods of Christian nationalist story teller David Barton. Then I tell the story of how his book on Jefferson was pulled from publication in 2012 and the response of evangelicals to that rare event. From there, I broaden the scope to examine the varieties of Christian nationalism and the negative consequences of this way of thinking about church and state. The last segment examines the reasons why the separation of church and state is good history, good civics, and good religion. For more information, go to http://www.gettingjeffersonright.com.
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