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• Cliff Asness: ‘The Problem Was Never Beta. The Problem Was Paying Alpha Fees for Beta’

  Today on the podcast we welcome back Cliff Asness. Cliff is the founder, managing principal, and chief investment officer at AQR Capital Management. Cliff writes often about investing and financial matters on AQR’s website and has been a prolific researcher throughout his career, with his contributions appearing in many of the leading scholarly journals, including the Journal of Portfolio Management, Financial Analyst’s Journal, the Journal of Finance, and the Journal of Financial Economics. Before co-founding AQR, Cliff was a managing director and director of quantitative research for the asset management division of Goldman Sachs. Cliff Asness, welcome back to The Long View.BackgroundBio@CliffordAsness“Cliff Asness: Value Stocks Still Look Like a Bargain,” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, May 31, 2022.Macro Forecast, Market-Timing, and Equities“2035: An Allocator Looks Back Over the Last 10 Years,” by Cliff Asness, aqr.com, Jan. 2, 2025.“(So) What If You Miss the Market’s N Best Days?” by Cliff Asness, aqr.com, June 5, 2025.“Why Not 100% Equities,” by Cliff Asness, aqr.com, Feb. 12, 2024.“Exceptional Expectations: US vs. Non-US Equities,” by Antti Ilmanen and Thomas Maloney, aqr.com, Q2 2025.Alternative Assets and Artificial Intelligence“In Praise of High-Volatility Alternatives,” by Cliff Asness, aqr.com, Sept. 4. 2024.“Should Hedge Funds Hedge?: Why Some Alts Should Have a Beta of 1.0,” by Cliff Asness, aqr.com, March 28, 2025.“We Have ‘Surrendered More to the Machines,’ Says Quant Fund Titan Cliff Asness,” by Costas Mourselas and Amelia Pollard, ft.com, June 3, 2025.“CIO Perspectives: An Interview With Cliff Asness,” aqr.com, Sept. 1, 2024.OtherWisdomTree“AQR Launches the AQR Fusion Mutual Fund Series,” AQR Funds News, aqr.com, June 25, 2025.Asian Financial Crisis

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• Nick Maggiulli: Climbing the Wealth Ladder

  Today on the podcast we welcome back Nick Maggiulli. He’s the author of a new book called The Wealth Ladder: Proven Strategies for Every Step of Your Financial Life. His first book was called Just Keep Buying. In addition, Nick writes a wonderful blog called Of Dollars and Data, which is focused on the intersection between data and personal finance. In his day job, Nick is the Chief Operating Officer and Data Scientist at Ritholtz Wealth Management. He received his bachelor’s degree in economics from Stanford University. Nick, welcome back to The Long View.BackgroundBioOf Dollars and DataThe Wealth Ladder: Proven Strategies for Every Step of Your Financial LifeJust Keep Buying: Proven Ways to Save Money and Build Your WealthTopics Discussed“How to Make More Without Working More,” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, July 7, 2025.“How Much House Is Too Much?” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, Oct. 22, 2024.“Rich vs Wealthy: Summarizing the Differences,” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, April 18, 2023.“What Is Liquid Net Worth? [And Why It’s So Important],” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, Dec. 5, 2023.“Do You Need Alternatives to Get Rich?” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, May 28, 2024.“Concentration Is Not Your Friend,” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, March 14, 2023.Other“Nick Maggiulli: ‘The Biggest Lie in Personal Finance,’” The Long View, Morningstar.com, April 12, 2022.Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances“High Income Improves Evaluation of Life But Not Emotional Well-Being,” by Daniel Kahneman and Angus Deaton, Princeton.edu, Aug. 4, 2010.“Experienced Well-Being Rises With Income, Even Above $75,000 Per Year,” by Matthew Killingsworth, pnas.org, Nov. 14, 2020.“Income and Emotional Well-Being: A Conflict Resolved,” by Matthew Killingsworth, Daniel Kahneman, and Barbara Mellers, pnas.org, Nov. 29, 2022.Of Dollars and Data Popular Posts“Even God Couldn’t Beat Dollar-Cost Averaging,” by Nick Maggiulli, ofdollarsanddata.com, Feb. 5, 2019.Get Good With Money, by Tiffany AlicheThe Millionaire Fastlane, by MJ DeMarcoThe Intelligent Asset Allocator, by William BernsteinHow to Retire, by Christine Benz

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• Brian Selmo: ‘Winning by Not Losing’

  Our guest this week is Brian Selmo. Brian is a portfolio manager and research director at First Pacific Advisors. Since 2013, he has comanaged the FPA Crescent Fund with Steve Romick and Mark Landecker, and in 2021, he became comanager of the FPA Global Equity ETF. Both strategies are highly regarded by Morningstar’s Manager Research Team. Before joining FPA in 2008, Brian worked as an analyst at Third Avenue Management and at Rothschild, and was founder and portfolio manager of Eagle Lake Capital. Brian holds a degree from Johns Hopkins.Show NotesBackgroundBioLinkedInFPAFPA Crescent FundSteve Romick: ‘We Think Defensively’, The Long View podcast, Aug. 25, 2020.Morningstar Awards for Investing ExcellenceReferencesIn an Uncertain World: Tough Choices From Wall Street to Washington, by Robert E. Rubin and Jacob Weisberg

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• Salim Ramji: The Industry Uses Complexity As a Mask to Charge More

  We’re taping this podcast at the Morningstar Investment Conference, where we’re delighted to be joined by Vanguard CEO Salim Ramji, who joined Vanguard just about a year ago. Prior to joining Vanguard, Salim was a senior leader at BlackRock, where his most recent position was as global head of iShares and index investing. Before that, he was a senior partner at McKinsey & Company. Salim started his career as a lawyer at Clifford Chance in London and Hong Kong.BackgroundBioVanguard Announces Appointment of Salim Ramji as New CEOA message From Salim RamjiTopicsVanguard Chooses an Outsider as Its New CEO, by Daniel Sotiroff, Morningstar.com, May 14, 2024.Vanguard’s New CEO: The Story Everyone Is Missing, by Susan Dziubinski and Daniel Sotiroff, Morningstar.com, April 22, 2025.Ramji Discusses Vanguard at 50 With Wall Street Week, May 22, 2025.2025 Morningstar Investment Conference: How to Invest Today, Laura Lallos, Morningstar.com, June 27, 2025.Vanguard CEO on Outages, Expansion Plans and Culture, Bloomberg, Aug. 5, 2024.2025 MIC: Vanguard CEO Salim Ramji on AI, Fees, and the Future of the Firm, Hedge Fund Alpha, June 27, 2025.Vanguard Unveils Generative AI Client Summaries for Financial Advisors, Vanguard, May 5, 2025.Automated Investing With Digital AdvisorThe Best Robo-Advisors of 2025, Dan Culloton, Morningstar.com, May 2, 2025.How Vanguard plans to play disruptor again, by Brooke Masters, Financial Times, Feb. 11, 2025.Vanguard CEO Salim Ramji cools the jets on private assets, by Tania Mitra, Citywire, June 26, 2025.Vanguard CEO says its public-private efforts rooted in partnerships, not acquisitions, by Rob Kozlowski, Pensions & Investments, June 26, 2025.Vanguard sets sights on private markets (at the right price), by Lachlan Maddock, Investment Magazine, March 5, 2025.

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• JL Collins: The (Still) Simple Path to Wealth

  For this holiday week, we’re resurfacing one of our favorite episodes from 2025 so far. Author JL Collins talking about the new edition of his bestselling book, The Simple Path to Wealth. We hope that you’ll enjoy the episode, and we’ll be back with a brand-new one next week. In the meantime, happy Fourth of July.Hi, and welcome to The Long View. I’m Christine Benz, director of personal finance and retirement planning for Morningstar. Today on the podcast, we welcome back author and blogger JL Collins. JL’s first book, The Simple Path to Wealth: Your road map to financial independence and a rich, free life, was published in 2016 and has since sold more than 1 million copies. He has recently come out with a second edition of the book, which his daughter, Jess, collaborated on. In 2023, he published another book called Pathfinders: Extraordinary Stories of People Like You on the Quest for Financial Independence.BackgroundBioThe Simple Path to Wealth (Revised & Expanded 2025 Edition): Your Road Map to Financial Independence and a Rich, Free LifePathfinders: Extraordinary Stories of People Like You on the Quest for Financial Independence—And How to Join ThemThe Simple Path to Wealth, 4% Rule, Inflation, and Stocks“Case Study #1: Putting the Simple Path to Wealth Into Action,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, July 10, 2023.“Things Important, and Unimportant,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, March 1, 2023.“Stocks—Part XIII: The 4% Rule, Withdrawal Rates and How Much Can I Spend Anyway?” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, Oct. 15, 2023.“Déjà Vu All Over Again,” by JL Collins, jlcollinshh.com, April 18, 2025.“Stocks—Part IV: The Big Ugly Event, Deflation and a Bit on Inflation,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, Nov. 16, 2023.“Stocks—Part XXII: Stepping Away From REITs,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, May 12, 2025.“Stocks—Part XXVII: Why I Don’t Like Dollar Cost Averaging,” by JL Collins, jlcollinshn.com, Jan. 8, 2024.“Stocks—Part III: Most People Lose Money in the Market,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, Nov. 16, 2023.“Time Machine and the Future Returns for Stocks,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, July 10, 2023.Debt Paydown“Chainsaws and Credit Cards,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, March 30, 2023.“Stocks—Part XXVIII: Debt – The Unacceptable Burden,” by JL Collins, jlcollinsnh.com, May 12, 2025.Other“JL Collins: The Case for Simplicity,” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, April 5, 2022.“JL Collins: Spotlighting the Many Paths to Financial Independence,” The Long View podcast, Morningstar.com, Oct. 31, 2023.Vanguard Total Stock Market Index VTSAXBill BengenMr. Money Mustache

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