2 Pastors and a Mic

For generations, many of us have been taught that God's wrath is His anger directed toward sinful people. But what if we've misunderstood it?

In this final message of the Reframe series, Cory explores one of the most misunderstood themes in Scripture and asks a simple but profound question: If Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father, what does that mean for how we understand God's wrath?

Looking through the lens of Jesus, this message challenges the idea of an angry, punitive God and presents a different picture—one where God's wrath is His relentless love confronting everything that distorts, enslaves, and dehumanizes us. Rather than destroying people, God's passion is aimed at destroying the lies that keep us from knowing who we've always been.

Together, we explore:
• What the Bible actually means by "wrath"
• Why Romans 1 says God "gave them over"
• How Jesus redefined God's character
• Why the cross reveals reconciliation, not divine retaliation
• The difference between fear-driven religion and love-driven transformation
• How God's consuming fire purifies instead of punishes

00:00 - Introduction & Why We're Revisiting Reframe
02:35 - My Journey of Unlearning and Relearning
06:20 - Week 5: Reframing God's Wrath
09:28 - From Fear-Driven Thinking to Peace-Filled Living
12:25 - What If Wrath Isn't God's Anger?
15:35 - The Church's View of Wrath Changed
16:19 - God Is Love, God Is Light
17:52 - The Meaning of "Wrath" in Scripture
19:10 - Romans: Wrath as Natural Consequences
21:32 - Jerusalem, 70 AD & Rejecting Love
24:00 - God's Fire Purifies, Not Punishes
25:11 - Jesus Corrects the Old View of Wrath
29:01 - The Cross Reveals God's True Heart
32:04 - The Old Lens vs. The New Lens
33:29 - Living From Love Instead of Fear
38:09 - Closing Prayer & Final Encouragement

In this message from our Reframe series, we tackle one of the most foundational beliefs many Christians have never questioned: Were you actually born with a sinful nature?

For many of us, the Christian story began in Genesis 3—with sin, shame, and separation. But what if the biblical story actually begins in Genesis 1—with blessing, identity, and belovedness?

Together, we explore the history of the doctrine of original sin, the biblical case for original blessing, what the Greek word hamartia (sin) really means, and why your understanding of your identity shapes the way you experience God, yourself, and others.

This conversation isn't about minimizing sin. It's about asking whether we've misunderstood its origin, its purpose, and ultimately the good news of the Gospel.

In this episode we discuss:
- Why the biblical story begins with blessing before brokenness
- Original blessing vs. original sin
- What hamartia actually means in the Greek
- Did Adam pass down a sinful nature—or a distorted story?
- Why Romans should be read as one complete argument
- The difference between "flesh" and "sin nature"
- How identity, not shame, becomes the starting point for transformation
- Why Jesus came to reveal who you've always been

00:00 – Welcome & Introducing the Reframe Series
02:26 – You've Always Been in Union
04:29 – Why This Series Is Challenging
06:08 – Learning to Think, Not What to Think
08:31 – The Purpose of Reframe
10:35 – You Were Not Born Sinful
12:28 – Does the Bible Begin with Sin or Blessing?
14:06 – Original Blessing vs. Original Sin
16:35 – What Does "Sin" Actually Mean?
20:03 – Adam Didn't Pass Down a Sin Nature
22:28 – Understanding Romans Correctly
27:47 – Adam's Story vs. Jesus' Story
28:38 – What Does "Flesh" Really Mean?
30:03 – Scriptures Supporting Original Blessing
35:27 – Living from Blessing Instead of Shame
39:15 – Prayer & Final Encouragement
40:10 – The Ministry of Reconciliation
41:44 – Church Announcements & Closing

What if God's judgment has never been about condemning you—but restoring you?

For many of us, the word judgment immediately triggers fear. We picture a courtroom, a guilty verdict, and a God waiting to punish our failures. But what if that's not the picture Jesus revealed?

In this message from our Reframe series, Cory challenges one of the most deeply held assumptions in modern Christianity by exploring what Scripture actually says about God's judgment. Looking through the lens of Jesus, he asks whether judgment is primarily retributive or restorative, and how that answer changes everything about the way we relate to God.

Along the way, you'll discover:
- Why fear has become such a common motivator in Christianity.
- How church history shaped our understanding of judgment.
- The difference between a courtroom and a family room.
- Why Henry's adoption story became a powerful picture of God's judgment.
- A fresh look at passages like 2 Corinthians 5, John 3, John 5, and Revelation.
- How Jesus reveals a God whose judgment restores identity instead of destroying people.

00:00 - Introduction & Reframe Series
05:03 - Why This Series Matters
07:31 - Reframing Judgment
09:26 - The Goal: From Fear to Freedom
10:50 - Review: The Battlefield, the Devil & Death
15:04 - God's Judgment Is Restorative
16:03 - Henry's Adoption Changed Everything
19:30 - The Gavel That Changed My Theology
21:00 - Three Church Splits That Shaped Christianity
24:30 - Courtroom or Family Room?
26:33 - Jesus Reveals God's Judgment
28:14 - What About the Great White Throne?
29:17 - Rethinking 2 Corinthians 5
32:22 - The Ministry of Reconciliation
34:27 - Stop Trying to Earn God's Favor
36:01 - Ambassadors, Not Soldiers
37:16 - Judgment Reveals Your True Identity
39:50 - The Sound of the Gavel
41:02 - You Are More Beloved Than You Think
43:15 - This Week's Challenge
45:25 - Closing Prayer
46:14 - Final Encouragement & Next Week's Preview

For generations, many Christians have been taught to fear the devil, demons, and spiritual warfare. But what if we've been asking the wrong questions? What if many of the assumptions we've inherited deserve a fresh look through the lens of Jesus?

In this episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we continue our Reframe series by exploring one of the most misunderstood subjects in Christianity. Instead of approaching spiritual warfare through fear, we examine what Scripture actually says about Satan, the devil, demons, accusation, ego, and the finished work of Christ.

Together we discuss:
• Why so much of modern spiritual warfare teaching creates fear instead of freedom
• What the words "Satan" and "devil" actually mean in Scripture
• The difference between external evil and the internal voice of accusation
• Why the battlefield is often our thinking, not our surroundings
• How Jesus completely defeated the power of accusation through the cross
• What it means to live from victory instead of constantly fighting for it

00:00 - Introduction & The Reframe Series
02:33 - Our God Reigns
04:20 - Why We Need to Reframe Spiritual Warfare
09:29 - The Battlefield Is the Mind
10:56 - Reframing the Devil
13:37 - Why This Conversation Matters
16:25 - What the Bible Really Says About Demons
20:18 - What Does "Satan" Actually Mean?
25:05 - How the Devil Operates Today
28:23 - Ego, Trauma & Law-Based Thinking
34:18 - Influence vs. Possession
36:44 - Christ Defeated Every Accusation
39:01 - Stand in the Finished Work of Jesus
40:16 - Living Free From Fear
42:19 - Closing Challenge & Final Encouragement

In Part 1 of our summer sermon series highlight, Cory begins the Reframe series by asking one of the biggest questions many Christians have never considered:

What if the spiritual battle we've been taught to fight isn't what the New Testament is actually describing?

For generations, many believers have viewed the Christian life through the lens of spiritual warfare, fear, and unseen enemies. But what if Jesus accomplished more than we've realized? What if the New Testament is inviting us to live from victory instead of constantly fighting for it?

In this first message, Cory walks through Scripture to challenge common assumptions about spiritual warfare, the Armor of God, strongholds, principalities and powers, and what Paul was actually communicating in Ephesians 6. Rather than encouraging believers to live in fear of an ongoing cosmic battle, he presents a Christ-centered perspective that emphasizes identity, peace, healing, and the finished work of Jesus.

Whether you agree with every conclusion or not, this message is designed to provoke thoughtful conversation and encourage you to examine Scripture through the lens of Christ.

00:00 - Introduction & Summer Reframe Series
02:34 - Welcome to Hill City & Pastor Appreciation
04:36 - Christ in You & Hearing God's Voice
06:21 - Why This Series Will Challenge You
08:23 - The Purpose Behind Reframe
10:00 - From Fear-Driven Thinking to Peace-Filled Living
12:13 - Fix Your Eyes on Jesus
13:21 - Reframing the Battlefield
15:19 - The Problem with Spiritual Warfare Thinking
19:52 - Good & Evil or Functional & Dysfunctional?
21:31 - What Strongholds Really Are
22:01 - Understanding Ephesians 6 in Context
24:26 - The Armor of God Is About Identity
26:05 - Principalities, Powers & Human Systems
29:09 - What Does "Satan" Actually Mean?
31:55 - The Armor of God Revisited
35:22 - You're an Ambassador, Not a Soldier
36:19 - Fear-Based Living vs Faith-Based Living
37:42 - Christ Has Already Won the Victory
39:06 - The Law, Sin & Standing Firm
40:14 - Christ Disarmed Every Power
41:15 - Leaving Law Behind for Grace
43:19 - Living from Victory Instead of Warfare
45:35 - Preview: Reframing Demons & Final Encouragement