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Knowledge Graph Insights

Podcast Knowledge Graph Insights
Larry Swanson
Interviews with experts on semantic technology, ontology design and engineering, linked data, and the semantic web.

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  • Jans Aasman: Knowledge Graphs in Modern Hybrid AI Architectures – Episode 20
    Jans Aasman Hybrid AI architectures get more complex every day. For Jans Aasman, large language models and generative AI are just the newest additions to his toolkit. Jans has been building advanced hybrid AI systems for more than 15 years, using knowledge graphs, symbolic logic, and machine learning - and now LLMs and gen AI - to build advanced AI systems for Fortune 500 companies. We talked about: his knowledge graph and neuro-symbolic work as the CEO of Franz the crucial role of a visionary knowledge graph champion in KG adoption in enterprises the two types of KG champions he has encountered: the magic-seeking, forward-looking technologist and the more pragmatic IT leader trying to better organize their operation the AI architectural patterns and themes he has seen emerge over the past 25 years: logic, reasoning, event-based KGs, machine learning, and of course gen AI and LLMs how gen AI lets him do things he couldn't have imagined five years ago the enduring importance of enterprise taxonomies, especially in RAG architectures which business entities need to be understood to answer complex business questions his approach to neuro-symbolic AI, seeing it as a "fluid interplay between a knowledge graph, symbolic logic, machine learning, and generative AI" the power of "magic predicates" a common combination of AI technologies and human interactions that can improve medical diagnosis and care decisions his strong belief in keeping humans in the loop in AI systems his observation that technology and business leaders seeing the need for "a symbolic approach next to generative AI" his take on the development of reasoning capabilities of LLMs how the code-generation capabilities of LLMs are more beneficial to senior programmers and may even impede the work of less experiences coders Jans' bio Jans Aasman is a Ph.D. psychologist and expert in Cognitive Science - as well as CEO of Franz Inc., an early innovator in Artificial Intelligence and provider of Knowledge Graph Solutions based on AllegroGraph. As both a scientist and CEO, Dr. Aasman continues to break ground in the areas of Artificial Intelligence and Knowledge Graphs as he works hand-in-hand with numerous Fortune 500 organizations as well as government entities worldwide. Connect with Jans online LinkedIn email: ja at franz dot com Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZBZxC8S1Uk Podcast intro transcript This is the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast, episode number 20. The mix of technologies in hybrid artificial intelligence systems just keeps getting more interesting. This might seem like a new phenomenon, but long before our LinkedIn feeds were clogged with posts about retrieval augmented generation and neuro-symbolic architectures, Jans Aasman was building AI systems that combined knowledge graphs, symbolic logic, and machine learning. Large language models and generative AI are just the newest technologies in his AI toolkit. Interview transcript Larry: Hi, everyone. Welcome to episode number 20 of the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast. I am really delighted today to welcome to the show Jans Aasmann. Jans is, he originally started out as a psychologist and he got into cognitive science. For the past 20 years, he's run a company called Franz, where he's the CEO doing neuro-symbolic AI, so welcome, Jans. Tell the folks a little bit more about what you're doing these days. Jans: We help companies build knowledge graphs, but with the special angle that we now offer neuro-symbolic AI so that we, in a very fluid way, mix traditional symbolic logic and the traditional machine learning with the new generative AI. We do this in every possible combination that you could think of. Larry: Who? Jans: These applications might be in healthcare or in call centers or in publishing. It's many, many, many different domains it supplies. Larry:
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  • Juan Sequeda: LLMs as a Critical Enabler for Knowledge Graph Adoption – Episode 19
    Juan Sequeda Knowledge graph technology has been around for decades. The benefits so far accruing to only a few big enterprises and tech companies. Juan Sequeda sees large language models as a critical enabler for the broader adoption of KGs. With their capacity to accelerate the acquisition and use of valuable business knowledge, LLMs offer a path to a better return on your enterprise's investment in semantics. We talked about: his work data.world as Principal scientist and the head of the AI lab at data.world the new discovery and knowledge-acquisition capabilities that LLMs give knowledge engineers a variety of business benefits that unfold from these new capabilities the payoff of investing in semantics and knowledge: "one plus one is greater than two" how semantic understanding and the move from a data-first world to a knowledge-first world helps businesses make better decisions and become more efficient the pendulum swings in the history of the development of AI and knowledge systems his research with Dean Allemang on how knowledge graphs can help LLMs improve the accuracy of answers of questions posed to enterprise relational databases the role of industry benchmarks in understanding the return on your invest in semantics the importance of treating semantics as a first-class citizen how business leaders can recognize and take advantage of the semantics and knowledge work that is already happening in their organizations Juan's bio Juan Sequeda is the Principal Scientist and Head of the AI Lab at data.world. He holds a PhD in Computer Science from The University of Texas at Austin. Juan’s research and industry work has been on the intersection of data and AI, with the goal to reliably create knowledge from inscrutable data, specifically designing and building Knowledge Graph for enterprise data and metadata management. Juan is the co-author of the book “Designing and Building Enterprise Knowledge Graph” and the co-host of Catalog and Cocktails, an honest, no-bs, non-salesy data podcast. Connect with Juan online LinkedIn Catalog & Cocktails podcast Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/xZq12K7GvB8 Podcast intro transcript This is the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast, episode number 19. The AI pendulum has been swinging back and forth for many decades. Juan Sequeda argues that we're now at a point in the advancement of AI technology where businesses can fully reap its long-promised benefits. The key is a semantic understanding of your business, captured in a knowledge graph. Juan sees large language models as a critical enabler of this capability, in particular the ability of LLMs to accelerate the acquisition and use of valuable business knowledge. Interview transcript Larry: Hi, everyone. Welcome to episode number 19 of the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast. I am really delighted today to welcome to the show Juan Sequeda. Juan is the principal scientist and the head of the AI lab at data.world. He's also the co-host of the really good popular podcast, Catalog & Cocktails. So welcome, Juan. Tell the folks a little bit more about what you're up to these days. Juan: Hey, very great. Thank you so much for having me. Great to chat with you. So what am I up to now these days? Obviously, knowledge graphs is something that is my entire life of what I've been doing. This was before it was called knowledge graphs. I would say that the last year, year-and-a-half, almost two years now, I would say, is been understanding the relationship between knowledge graphs and LLMs. If people have been following our work, what we've been doing a lot has been on understanding how to use knowledge graphs to increase the accuracy for your chat with your data system, so be able to do question answering over your structured SQL databases and how knowledge graphs increase the accuracy of that. So we can chat about that. Juan:
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  • Jesús Barrasa: Pragmatic Advice for Graph Technology Adoption – Episode 18
    Jesús Barrasa Over his 20-year career, Jesús Barrasa has spanned the worlds of object-oriented property graphs and assertion-based knowledge graphs. He knows as much about these two foundational technologies as anyone and offers pragmatic advice to help architects and engineers decide which approach will work best for their needs. We talked about: his role at Neo4j in which he helps companies adopt graph technology his academic study of semantic technology and his early work on mapping relational data to ontologies and enterprise ontologies his move across the graph spectrum from RDF graphs to property graphs, culminating in his current role at Neo4j his take on the similarities and differences between RDF and property graph approaches, the key commonality being linked data and the key distinction between them being the level of abstraction that they employ different ways to approach inference the origins of the semantic web and how it has made data actionable and interoperable and smarter how the professional backgrounds of software developers can affect their choice of graph technologies the crucial role of interoperability in graph technology, and our ongoing inability to productively harness it how semantics is managed and used in the property graph and RDF worlds ontology as a technology-independent way of representing knowledge the importance of staying focused on the needs of practitioners when advising them on how to make a graph technology choice how knowledge graphs can balance the "opaque power" of large language models with "explicit, declarative, explainable power" Jesús' bio Dr. Jesús Barrasa is Neo4j's AI Field CTO and the company's resident expert in Knowledge Graphs and Semantic Technologies. He co-authored the O'Reilly book "Building Knowledge Graphs: A Practitioner's Guide" (released in July 2023) and combines over 20 years of professional experience in the data management space split between industry and research and academia. Prior to joining Neo4j, Jesús worked for data integration companies like Denodo and Ontology Systems (now EXFO), where he gained first-hand experience with many successful enterprise-wide data integration deployments and large graph technology projects enhancing the operations and analytics of major companies worldwide. Jesús' doctoral work in Artificial Intelligence and Knowledge Representation focused on the automatic repurposing of legacy data as knowledge graphs. He's an active thought leader in the graph and semantics communities and co-hosts the popular monthly webcast on knowledge graphs "Going Meta." Connect with Jesús online LinkedIn Going Meta webcast. Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/7WFP_oDQsxI Podcast intro transcript This is the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast, episode number 18. If you search for the term "knowledge graph," you're likely to get an equal number of results about property graphs and RDF-based graphs. Jesús Barrasa has been immersed in both of those technologies for more than 20 years. He takes a pragmatic approach to graph technology adoption, focusing on the needs of practitioners and on the ability of knowledge graphs to balance the "opaque power" of large language models with the explainable power of knowledge graphs. Interview transcript Larry: Hi everyone. Welcome to episode number 18 of the Knowledge Graph Insights Podcast. I am really delighted to welcome to the show Jesús Barrasa. Jesús is about as graph-ey a person as it gets. I got to say he has a 20-year background in this stuff. He's currently the AI field CTO, Chief Technical Officer for the graph database company Neo4j. Welcome to the show, Jesús. Tell the folks a little bit more about what you're doing these days. Jesús: Hi Larry. Thank you very much. I'm really, really glad to be here. I mean, we've been trying to plan this for a while now. Really,
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  • Yaakov Belch: Humans in the Loop? No. Humans in Control – Episode 17
    Yaakov Belch Yaakov Belch is an AI researcher with strong ideas about the role of humans in AI systems. Instead of "human in the loop," he argues, we should put "humans in control." Yaakov's research looks at business contracts and how knowledge graphs and AI systems can both capture their meaning more accurately and help managers make better business decisions. We talked about: his assertion that we need humans in control, not just in the loop his research on applying AI technology to business contracts, in particular the issue of resolving inconsistencies in language model results reasons to put human concerns ahead of any particular technology the importance of having humans in control when interpreting ambiguous business decisions the importance of both accounting for business intent and asking the right questions of your data and how the loop between the two tightens over time the responsibility of human users to understand how LLMs work and to prompt and otherwise interact with them accordingly why he doesn't use the term "hallucination" when talking about LLM outputs the role and implications of applying different kinds of logic in the use of knowledge graphs an analogy that shows how the concept of a Git fork can help knowledge graph engineers account in their models for different versions of reality the real-world applications of his research, especially how the practices he is exploring can create new business value the importance of building any model off of real data and always thinking about which human needs to be in control Yaakov's bio As a mathematician and data scientist, Yaakov Belch brings a unique perspective to the world of AI and knowledge graphs. With a strong background in mathematics, including participation in prestigious International Mathematical Olympiads, Yaakov went on to earn a Ph.D. in pure mathematics from the University of Cambridge. Yaakov's career has spanned both research and industry roles. He has worked as an Algorithm Programmer, collaborating with researchers in bioinformatics and economics, co-authoring academic papers. Yaakov also served as a Senior Data Scientist at Israeli e-commerce startups, where he tackled challenges in symbolic and semantic search from different angles. Currently, Yaakov is on a sabbatical, working as an independent Data Scientist to develop his method of reliable business reasoning, precise contract understanding, and humans-in-control.ai. He sees an interesting connection between the problems from the International Mathematics Olympiads and taming the inconsistencies of large language models: "At one hand, the problems are hard and just don't open up to the known, standard methods of the field. But you know that there is a beautiful solution. You need to find the right perspective to appreciate the problem and to see that beautiful solution." Connect with Yaakov online humans-in-control.ai LinkedIn Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/ZS9r0bfkGQc Podcast intro transcript This is the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast, episode number 17. Machine learning architects often talk about the "human in the loop." Yaakov Belch thinks that when it comes to language models the right approach is to put "humans in control." Yaakov's research looks at how knowledge graphs and large language models can help put humans in control of business contracts, capturing the actual intent that underlies them and facilitating better business decision-making based on the discoveries that they enable. Interview transcript Larry: Hi everyone. Welcome to episode number 17 of the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast. I am really delighted today to welcome to the show Yaakov Belch. Yaakov is an independent senior data scientist and he’s made this really provocative statement about … There’s all this talk in the AI world in general about humans in the loop. And Yaakov says, “No.
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  • Michael Iantosca: Managing Dynamic Content with Knowledge Graphs – Episode 16
    Michael Iantosca Where content, knowledge management, and AI converge, you'll find Michael Iantosca. As many in the AI world flock to probabilistic models like LLMs, Michael takes a deterministic approach to content management and knowledge engineering, using ontologies and knowledge graphs to ground content in a concrete facts. This approach embodies his insight that content and the models that describe it are not static information but rather valuable, ever-evolving enterprise IP assets. We talked about: his 44-year career in content, knowledge management and localization/globalization roles the three pillars of his work: content, knowledge management, and engineering the need he sees in his work to move away from probabilistic, vector-based models to deterministic, neuro-symbolic models like knowledge graphs how he decides which models are appropriate to use with each of the varied kinds of data he works with his explorations of how to automatically construct a knowledge graph to use to power generative AI solutions how he acquires and develops ontology skills in his team how graph technology supports the "total content experiences" he builds how the non-static nature of content makes it a poor candidate to be managed in a static system like a vector-based model the relative merits and utility of 1) deterministic retrieval for structured content and 2) probabilistic retrieval for unstructured content the power of combining content models, knowledge models, and ontologies and how they can become crucial enterprise IP assets his belief that we are entering a golden age of content and knowledge engineering Michael's bio Michael Iantosca is the Senior Director of Knowledge Platforms and Engineering at Avalara, a sales tax automation company. With over four decades of leadership in technical content management, Michael has been a pioneer in advancing the profession, driving innovations in structured content, intelligent authoring, and scalable knowledge platforms. Renowned for bridging engineering and content teams, he has championed the adoption of AI and cutting-edge technologies to enhance user experience. A thought leader and mentor, Michael continues to shape the future of technical communication through his expertise and passion for innovation. Connect with Michael online LinkedIn Medium ThinkingDocumentation Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/WG9Nl5OY3QI Podcast intro transcript This is the Knowledge Graph Insights podcast, episode number 16. A lot of work in the AI world these days is about vectorizing giant collections of static, unstructured content and data for LLMs. Michael Iantosca has worked for decades in a world where content is dynamic, always precisely structured, and contextualized with rich metadata. So he has a different take on architectural innovations like graph RAG, favoring knowledge-based deterministic retrieval of content over vector-based models and probabilistic methods. Interview transcript Larry: Hi, everyone. Welcome to episode number 16 of the knowledge graph Insights podcast. I am really delighted today to welcome to the show, Michael Iantosca. Michael is currently the Senior Director of Knowledge Platforms and Engineering at Avalara, the big tax-compliance automation software company. He's also got a long history. He's spent a couple of decades, a few decades at IBM prior to his role at Avalara. Welcome to the show, Michael. Tell the folks a little bit more about what you're up to these days. Michael: Larry, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure and an honor to get a few minutes to talk to you today. Yeah, I have just started my 44th year primarily in the professional content space, but also in the knowledge management and localization globalization space as well. I have been involved with content since the early days of SGML that began the structured content revolution and wo...
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