Leaders in Finance Podcast

Michael Jongeneel has been the CEO of FMO since September 2021. The Dutch development bank manages a portfolio of more than €15 billion and invests in the private sector across more than 85 emerging markets worldwide, with a strong focus on climate action, reducing inequality, and sustainable economic growth.

Michael studied Business Information Technology at the University of Twente and started his career in consulting at Accenture and later McKinsey & Company. In 2007, he joined Triodos Bank, where he held several executive roles, including Chief Operating Officer and Managing Director of Triodos Investment Management. After eight years at Triodos, he became a partner at Bain & Company, where he founded the global sustainability practice for financial services and advised leading banks and insurers on the climate transition and sustainable finance.

Beyond his professional career, Michael has long been active in the social and non-profit sector. Among other roles, he served as treasurer of Oxfam International and was treasurer of Giro555 for seven years. He lives near Utrecht, is married, and has two children.

 

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Leaders in Finance is made possible by the support of EY, Mogelijk Vastgoedfinancieringen, and Lepaya. More information about our partners is available at our partner page.

 

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Books mentioned in the episode:
The Untethered Soul, Michael A. Singer

 

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Previous guests on the Leaders in Finance podcast include:  Klaas Knot (President DNB), Frank Elderson (Executive Board, ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO ASN Bank), Gerrit Zalm (former Minister of Finance and former CEO of ABN AMRO),  Ingrid de Swart (member of the Executive Board, a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board ING, Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO NN Group), Janine Vos (Executive Board, Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (former President DNB), Onno Ruding (former minister of finance), Yoram Schwarz (CEO Movir), Laura van Geest (Executive Board, AFM),  Katja Kok (CEO Van Lanschot CH), Ali Niknam (CEO bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO BUX), Petri Hofsté (supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (C supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijne (Chair Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO Mastercard NL), Joanne Kellermann (Chair PFZW), Steven Maijoor (former Chair ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO Robeco), Annette Mosman (CEO APG).

Last month, Kees de Wit and Tom van Disseldorp travelled to Sorrento, Italy, at the invitation of Objectway for OWIN26. During this multi-day event, they engaged with C-level leaders and senior decision-makers from across the European financial services industry.



In this episode, host Kees de Wit speaks with Maarten Lindner (Lead Investment Products at Rabobank) and Kurt Vanhee (CEO Continental Europe at Objectway) about what it really takes to drive innovation in a complex financial landscape.



They explore the tension between innovation and legacy systems, why data and infrastructure form the true foundation for transformation, and how large institutions balance agility with scale amid increasing regulation. The conversation also highlights the importance of a long-term “North Star” vision, the realities of modernizing client journeys, and why innovation in finance is never a finished process—but a continuous journey.

 

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Leaders in Finance is made possible by the support of EY, Mogelijk Vastgoedfinancieringen, and Lepaya. More information about our partners is available at our partner page.

 

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Questions, suggestions, or feedback? We'd love to hear from you! You can reach us via email at [email protected] and check out our website.

 

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Previous guests on the Leaders in Finance podcast include:  Klaas Knot (President DNB), Frank Elderson (Executive Board, ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO ASN Bank), Gerrit Zalm (former Minister of Finance and former CEO of ABN AMRO),  Ingrid de Swart (member of the Executive Board, a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board ING, Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO NN Group), Janine Vos (Executive Board, Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (former President DNB), Onno Ruding (former minister of finance), Yoram Schwarz (CEO Movir), Laura van Geest (Executive Board, AFM),  Katja Kok (CEO Van Lanschot CH), Ali Niknam (CEO bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO BUX), Petri Hofsté (supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (C supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijne (Chair Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO Mastercard NL), Joanne Kellermann (Chair PFZW), Steven Maijoor (former Chair ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO Robeco), Annette Mosman (CEO APG).

Last month, our colleagues Kees de Wit and Tom van Disseldorp travelled to Sorrento, Italy, at the invitation of Objectway for OWIN26. During this multi-day event, they engaged with senior leaders from across the European financial services industry on the future of operating models, partnerships, and innovation.



In this episode, host Tom van Disseldorp speaks with Karl de Borger (Head of Sales and Relationship Management at KBC Securities Services), Thomas de Nil (Head of Savings and Investments at vdk bank), and Kurt Vanhee (CEO Continental Europe at Objectway) about what it takes to build successful partnerships in an increasingly complex financial ecosystem.



Together, they discuss why trust and accountability are becoming increasingly important in partner ecosystems, how banks and wealth managers are dealing with growing complexity behind the scenes, and what changing client expectations mean for the future of the industry. They also reflect on consolidation in the market, the rise of AI-driven operations, and why technology should ultimately create more space for personal client relationships rather than less.

 

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Leaders in Finance is made possible by the support of EY, Mogelijk Vastgoedfinancieringen, and Lepaya. More information about our partners is available at our partner page.

 

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Questions, suggestions, or feedback? We'd love to hear from you! You can reach us via email at [email protected] and check out our website.

 

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Previous guests on the Leaders in Finance podcast include:  Klaas Knot (President DNB), Frank Elderson (Executive Board, ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO ASN Bank), Gerrit Zalm (former Minister of Finance and former CEO of ABN AMRO),  Ingrid de Swart (member of the Executive Board, a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board ING, Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO NN Group), Janine Vos (Executive Board, Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (former President DNB), Onno Ruding (former minister of finance), Yoram Schwarz (CEO Movir), Laura van Geest (Executive Board, AFM),  Katja Kok (CEO Van Lanschot CH), Ali Niknam (CEO bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO BUX), Petri Hofsté (supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (C supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijne (Chair Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO Mastercard NL), Joanne Kellermann (Chair PFZW), Steven Maijoor (former Chair ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO Robeco), Annette Mosman (CEO APG).

Hans den Hoedt werkt al zo’n 30 jaar in investment banking. Hij studeerde Business Economics and Finance aan de Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam en begon zijn carrière in 1995 bij ABN AMRO, waar hij doorgroeide tot Managing Director.



Na een periode als Managing Director bij de Royal Bank of Scotland stapte hij in 2010 over naar Goldman Sachs. Vanuit Londen leidde hij daar jarenlang capital markets voor West-Europa. In 2020 opende hij het kantoor van Goldman Sachs in Amsterdam. Vandaag is Hans Head of Investment Banking en Country Head Nederland bij Goldman Sachs.



Hans is 57 jaar, woont in Londen en Amsterdam, is getrouwd en heeft samen met zijn vrouw drie kinderen.

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Boeken genoemd in de aflevering:
The Choice – Edith Eger

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Eerdere gasten bij de Leaders in Finance podcast waren onder andere: Klaas Knot (President DNB), Frank Elderson (Directie ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO de Volksbank), Gerrit Zalm (Voormalig minister van Financiën en voormalig CEO ABN AMRO),  Ingrid de Swart (Lid Raad van Bestuur a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board ING, Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO NN Group), Janine Vos (RvB Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (Voormalig President DNB), Onno Ruding (Voormalig minister van Financiën), Yoram Schwarz (CEO Movir), Laura van Geest (Bestuursvoorzitter AFM),  Katja Kok (CEO Van Lanschot CH), Ali Niknam (CEO bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO BUX), Petri Hofsté (Commissaris o.a. Rabobank en Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (Commissaris PGGM, BNG Bank; voormalig CFO ABN AMRO), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijne (Chair Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO Mastercard NL), Joanne Kellermann (Chair PFZW), Steven Maijoor (Voormalig Chair ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO Robeco), Annette Mosman (CEO APG).

Last month, our colleagues Kees de Wit and Tom van Disseldorp travelled to Sorrento, Italy, at the invitation of Objectway for OWIN26. During this multi-day event, they spoke with C-level leaders and senior decision-makers from across the European financial services industry.

In this extra episode of Leaders in Finance, Tom speaks with Eric van der Deijl, Country Operating Officer Germany at ABN AMRO, and Karl Im Brahm, CEO DAG Region at Objectway.

They reflect on the first days of OWIN26 and discuss topics that are high on the agenda for many financial institutions today: efficiency, resilience, and the practical impact of AI. The conversation also touches on ABN AMRO’s integration of Hauck Aufhäuser Lampe and what it takes to manage complexity in large transformation programs.

 

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Leaders in Finance is made possible by the support of EY, Mogelijk Vastgoedfinancieringen, and Lepaya. More information about our partners is available at our partner page.

 

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Want to stay up to date with Leaders in Finance? Subscribe to the newsletter.

 

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Questions, suggestions, or feedback? We'd love to hear from you! You can reach us via email at [email protected] and check out our website.

 

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Previous guests on the Leaders in Finance podcast include:  Klaas Knot (President DNB), Frank Elderson (Executive Board, ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO ASN Bank), Gerrit Zalm (former Minister of Finance and former CEO of ABN AMRO),  Ingrid de Swart (member of the Executive Board, a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board ING, Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO NN Group), Janine Vos (Executive Board, Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (former President DNB), Onno Ruding (former minister of finance), Yoram Schwarz (CEO Movir), Laura van Geest (Executive Board, AFM),  Katja Kok (CEO Van Lanschot CH), Ali Niknam (CEO bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO BUX), Petri Hofsté (supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (C supervisory board member, including at Rabobank and Achmea), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijne (Chair Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO Mastercard NL), Joanne Kellermann (Chair PFZW), Steven Maijoor (former Chair ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO Robeco), Annette Mosman (CEO APG).