The Greener Way

🌿 Australia's climate capital challenge: Why investors want to spend billions but can't find enough opportunities
❓ Question:
Why are Australia's largest investors struggling to deploy more climate capital locally, and what needs to change to attract the investment required for the country's net-zero transition?
✅ Answer:
According to Rebecca Mikula-Wright, chief executive of the Investor Group on Climate Change (IGCC), institutional investors remain highly committed to climate-related investing despite geopolitical uncertainty, energy security concerns and market volatility. Australia's superannuation funds and institutional investors increasingly view climate change as both a financial risk and a major investment opportunity.
However, while investor appetite for climate solutions continues to grow, there remains a shortage of investable opportunities that meet required risk and return thresholds. Mikula-Wright argues the challenge is not a lack of capital but a lack of policy certainty, project readiness and market signals that allow large-scale investment to flow efficiently. With Australia's super funds managing approximately $4.5 trillion and the nation requiring up to $630 billion of investment to meet its 2035 climate targets, she says getting policy settings right will determine whether that capital stays in Australia or moves elsewhere.
🌟 Clean energy remains the dominant climate investment theme
Renewable energy generation, transmission infrastructure and energy storage continue to attract the strongest investor interest. These sectors are viewed as critical to both emissions reduction and future energy security.
🌟 Climate adaptation is emerging as a major opportunity
Investors are increasingly moving beyond mitigation and emissions reduction to focus on adaptation and resilience. Around a third of investors now view climate adaptation as an investment opportunity rather than simply a risk that must be managed.
🌟 Asia is becoming more attractive for climate capital
Investor interest in climate opportunities across Asia is growing rapidly. As Australia competes for global capital, investors are increasingly evaluating overseas markets that offer stronger policy certainty and larger investment pipelines.
🌟 Energy security is reshaping investment decisions
Geopolitical tensions and concerns about energy supply are reinforcing support for electrification, renewable infrastructure and low-carbon fuels. Climate investment is increasingly being viewed through a national security lens.
🌟 Climate risks are being integrated into mainstream portfolios
Rather than limiting sustainability considerations to dedicated ethical funds, investors are increasingly embedding climate risks and opportunities across their entire portfolios and investment processes.
🌟 Climate adaptation finance could become a significant new asset class
Historically, governments have funded adaptation projects. As private investment markets mature, opportunities are emerging in infrastructure, resilience solutions and technologies designed to address physical climate risks.
🌟 Stewardship remains a key tool for investors
Shareholder engagement, voting and corporate stewardship continue to play an important role in influencing company behaviour. However, investors increasingly recognise that broader policy and market reforms are needed to drive system-wide change.
🌟 Mandatory climate reporting could improve investment decisions
As climate disclosure frameworks develop, investors expect to gain better visibility into how companies identify, manage and prepare for climate-related risks and opportunities.
🚩 A shortage of investment-ready projects remains a major barrier
Many investors say they want to allocate more capital but cannot find enough climate-aligned investments with suitable risk-return characteristics. This remains one of the biggest obstacles to scaling climate finance.
🚩 Policy uncertainty continues to slow capital deployment
Investors remain concerned about whether climate and energy policies will remain consistent across political cycles. Without long-term certainty, capital can remain on the sidelines or move overseas.
🚩 Slow approvals and regulatory bottlenecks are creating delays
Project approval processes, tax uncertainties and outdated regulatory frameworks are slowing the development of climate-related infrastructure and reducing the number of investable opportunities.
🚩 Australia faces growing competition for global capital
Investors have choices about where to deploy funds. If Australia cannot create an attractive investment environment, climate capital may increasingly flow to other regions.
⚠️ Capital availability does not guarantee investment
Mikula-Wright stresses that having trillions of dollars available for investment does not automatically mean that funds will be deployed. Effective policy design and implementation remain critical.
⚠️ Weak demand signals can undermine climate investment
Current market incentives are not always strong enough to stimulate demand for climate solutions, making it harder for projects to achieve commercial viability.
⚠️ Delays to the energy transition could impact long-term competitiveness
Failure to accelerate decarbonisation, clean energy deployment and climate adaptation may weaken Australia's ability to compete for future investment and trade opportunities.
💡 Why it matters:
Climate investing is moving from a niche sustainability strategy to a mainstream capital allocation issue. Australia's largest institutional investors are signalling that significant amounts of money are available for clean energy, climate adaptation and decarbonisation projects, but that capital needs investment-ready opportunities and stable policy settings. As Australia works toward its 2035 climate goals, the ability to attract and deploy climate capital may play a crucial role in determining the country's economic competitiveness, energy security and long-term prosperity.
🎙️ Sources:
Rebecca Mikula-Wright, chief executive, Investor Group on Climate Change (IGCC)
Riddhima Talwani, host, The Greener Way
⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – Why Australia needs climate investment capital
01:03 – Where climate sits among investor priorities
02:38 – Major climate investment themes driving capital
03:13 – Growth in clean energy and adaptation investing
04:04 – Why investors are looking increasingly towards Asia
05:00 – The gap between investor appetite and available opportunities
06:02 – Policy certainty and barriers to capital deployment
07:13 – How investors are engaging with policymakers
08:16 – The shift from ethical funds to portfolio-wide ESG integration
10:02 – Stewardship, shareholder voting and climate engagement
11:42 – What investors want from mandatory climate reporting
13:10 – IGCC's policy priorities and climate agenda
14:03 – National adaptation planning and climate finance
15:08 – Clean energy, low-carbon fuels and industrial decarbonisation
16:00 – Australia's role in supporting Asia's transition
16:35 – Why policy settings will determine where capital flows
17:08 – IGCC Summit and final remarks
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🔥 Ethinvest: A call to make impact investing accessible for everyday Australians
❓ Question:
Impact investing has matured significantly over the past decade, but many of the most attractive opportunities remain out of reach for everyday investors. What is changing in the impact investing landscape, and how can investors use both their capital and their shareholder influence to create positive environmental and social outcomes?
✅ Answer:
According to Trevor Thomas, managing director of Ethinvest, impact investing is evolving from a niche market into an increasingly sophisticated asset class that is attracting institutional-grade fund managers and larger pools of capital. While impact investing has traditionally been dominated by wholesale investors, efforts are underway to make high-quality impact opportunities more accessible to retail investors.
Thomas explains that true impact investing differs from simply buying shares in companies with positive environmental or social credentials. Impact investments are intentionally designed to address a specific problem, measure the outcomes achieved and provide capital directly to projects that generate positive change. This can include renewable energy, affordable housing, environmental restoration and social impact initiatives.
Alongside capital allocation, Thomas argues investors should not underestimate the power of shareholder engagement. Over the past decade, shareholder activism and engagement campaigns have helped drive change across issues including climate disclosure, gambling, plastic waste, deforestation and biodiversity protection. Investors increasingly have two powerful tools available: where they invest their money and how they use their voice as shareholders.
🌟 Impact investing is becoming more institutional and mainstream
The first generation of impact investments was often innovative but relatively small in scale. Today, institutional fund managers are launching larger, more diversified impact funds with the potential to deliver market-like returns while creating measurable environmental and social outcomes.
🌟 True impact investing goes beyond buying ethical shares
Thomas distinguishes impact investing from traditional share investing. When investors purchase listed shares, the money typically goes to another shareholder. Impact investments, by contrast, direct capital towards creating new projects, assets and solutions that address social or environmental challenges.
🌟 Renewable energy and environmental infrastructure remain major themes
Some of the most prominent opportunities today include renewable energy infrastructure, battery storage, environmental water projects and decarbonisation initiatives. These investments are attracting increasing interest as governments, institutions and investors seek practical solutions to sustainability challenges.
🌟 Democratising impact investing remains a key goal
One of the biggest challenges facing the sector is accessibility. Many of the highest-quality impact funds remain restricted to wholesale investors. Thomas says efforts are underway to create investment vehicles that combine leading impact funds into structures that retail investors can access more easily.
🌟 Superannuation funds could play a larger role
Large super funds are increasingly allocating capital towards impact investments and are becoming more active participants in addressing challenges such as climate transition, clean technology development and affordable housing at scale.
🌟 Shareholder activism can drive meaningful change
Investor engagement has played a significant role in influencing corporate behaviour. Thomas highlights campaigns involving climate change, banking policies, biodiversity protection, plastic reduction and gambling exposure, demonstrating that investors can create change even when shareholder resolutions do not ultimately succeed.
🌟 Success is not always measured by winning the vote
Some engagement campaigns fail to achieve immediate outcomes but still generate important progress. Thomas points to climate-related shareholder advocacy that led companies to improve transparency and disclose previously unavailable information, helping investors better understand risks and corporate strategies.
🚩 Retail investors still face access barriers
Many impact investments involve long investment horizons of seven to ten years. These illiquid structures can be difficult for retail investors to access, creating a gap between investor demand and available products.
🚩 Patience is often required
Unlike publicly traded shares, many impact investments require investors to commit capital for extended periods before outcomes and returns are realised. This remains one of the sector's biggest structural challenges.
⚠️ Not every impact investment succeeds
While many impact investments have generated positive outcomes and competitive returns, others have faced challenges. Some projects were disrupted by external events such as COVID-19, highlighting the importance of diversification and careful manager selection.
⚠️ Impact measurement remains critical
As the sector grows, investors need confidence that managers are measuring and reporting outcomes consistently. Intentionality, measurable impact and additionality remain key characteristics that distinguish genuine impact investments from broader sustainability strategies.
🌟 Investors no longer need to sacrifice returns
Thomas believes one of the industry's biggest misconceptions is that ethical and impact investing inevitably leads to weaker financial performance. In most asset classes, investors can now access strategies that seek both commercial returns and measurable impact outcomes.
💡 Why it matters:
Impact investing is moving beyond its early experimental phase and becoming a more established part of the investment landscape. As institutional managers bring larger, more sophisticated products to market, access is gradually expanding and the opportunity set is widening. At the same time, investors are increasingly recognising that creating impact is not just about where money is invested, but also how shareholder rights are exercised. Understanding both capital allocation and engagement strategies may become increasingly important as investors seek to balance financial outcomes with positive environmental and social change.
🎙️ Sources:
Trevor Thomas, managing director, Ethinvest
Michelle Baltazar, host, The Greener Way
⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – Why impact investing needs to be democratised
00:17 – The evolution of impact investing
01:33 – What makes an investment a true impact investment
03:02 – Standout impact funds and recent opportunities
04:02 – The challenge of retail investor access
05:00 – Wholesale versus retail impact investing
06:38 – The role of super funds in driving impact
07:23 – Shareholder activism and investor influence
08:41 – Using shareholder resolutions to create change
10:07 – Lessons from climate engagement campaigns
11:00 – Biodiversity and salmon farming advocacy
11:49 – Impact investment performance and outcomes
12:37 – Why scale matters in impact investing
13:29 – The myth that impact investing underperforms
14:08 – Final thoughts and key takeaways
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☀️ Super El Niño, AI and water scarcity: The investment trends that could reshape the ASX
❓ Question:
How could a potential Super El Niño, rising temperatures and the rapid expansion of AI data centres create new investment opportunities and risks for investors over the coming decade?
✅ Answer:
According to Claudia Kwan, managing partner and portfolio manager at North Star, investors are entering an unprecedented period where climate change, extreme weather patterns and AI-driven infrastructure demand are colliding. A potential Super El Niño could affect water availability, energy demand, supply chains, commodity prices and capital allocation decisions across the economy. Kwan believes investors who understand these interconnected trends will be better positioned to identify the next generation of winners, while those relying solely on traditional investment metrics may miss significant opportunities.
🌟 Investors are facing a climate event without historical precedent
While Super El Niño events have occurred before, Kwan notes that they have never occurred alongside today's backdrop of rising global temperatures and accelerating climate change. This makes forecasting more difficult and increases uncertainty for investors.
🌟 AI data centres are becoming a major economic force
The surge in AI adoption is driving unprecedented demand for data centres, placing increasing pressure on energy systems, infrastructure and water resources. This is creating new investment themes that extend well beyond the technology sector.
🌟 Water may become one of the most valuable investment themes
Kwan argues that water remains overlooked compared with energy and electrification. Changing rainfall patterns, droughts and flooding could create both risks and opportunities across industries, making water-related infrastructure and solutions increasingly important.
🌟 Supply chain disruptions are becoming more frequent
Extreme weather events such as cyclones are already affecting manufacturing and logistics networks. Investors can no longer view climate disruptions as isolated events because their impacts are spreading across global supply chains.
🌟 Climate adaptation is creating new commercial opportunities
As businesses adapt to changing environmental conditions, demand is increasing for technologies and services that improve efficiency, resilience and resource management. Companies providing these solutions may benefit from long-term structural growth.
🌟 Rising commodity prices are helping circular economy businesses
Higher resource prices are improving the economics of recycling, reprocessing and waste recovery. Activities that were previously uneconomic are becoming commercially viable as demand for critical materials increases.
🌟 Investors may need to rethink how they value growth companies
Traditional measures such as earnings, free cash flow and balance sheet strength remain important, but Kwan believes investors should also evaluate market size, adoption potential and unit economics when analysing emerging industries.
🌟 The next decade could create entirely new market leaders
Kwan expects many future ASX success stories to come from sectors linked to electrification, climate adaptation, digital infrastructure and resource efficiency. She believes the composition of the ASX 200 could look very different by 2035.
🚩 Funding the transition remains a major challenge
The enormous investment required for energy infrastructure, data centres and climate adaptation will require substantial capital. Investors need to pay close attention to funding sources and the cost of capital.
🚩 Volatility is likely to increase
More extreme weather events and shifting climate patterns may result in greater uncertainty across financial markets, creating both opportunities and downside risks.
🚩 Climate risks now affect almost every sector
From supply chains and insurance costs to resource availability and consumer spending, climate-related impacts are becoming embedded across the broader economy rather than affecting individual industries.
⚠️ Black swan events may become more common
Kwan warns that investors should prepare for unexpected climate-related and capital-market shocks. Events previously considered rare could occur more frequently in a world shaped by climate change and rapid technological transformation.
⚠️ Investors who ignore emerging data could fall behind
As climate, weather and infrastructure data become increasingly important drivers of performance, investors who fail to monitor these developments risk mispricing opportunities and threats.
💡 Why it matters:
Climate change is no longer simply an environmental issue. It is becoming a powerful investment driver that influences energy demand, water resources, supply chains, capital flows and market valuations. Kwan's research suggests that understanding the interaction between Super El Niño, AI infrastructure growth and climate adaptation could help investors identify future winners while better managing long-term portfolio risks.
🎙️ Sources:
Claudia Kwan, managing partner and portfolio manager, North Star
Michelle Baltazar, host, The Greener Way
⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – How Super El Niño could reshape investment markets
00:45 – Introducing North Star and impact investing
01:44 – What defines a Super El Niño?
02:34 – Why investors should pay attention now
04:04 – Climate adaptation and investment opportunities
05:05 – Why water is an overlooked investment theme
05:45 – AI infrastructure and supply chain impacts
06:46 – Commodity prices and circular economy opportunities
07:26 – Rethinking traditional investment metrics
08:55 – Evaluating growth opportunities in emerging industries
09:52 – M&A activity and industry consolidation
11:40 – Claudia's prediction for the ASX in 2035
12:04 – Funding challenges and key investment risks
13:37 – Black swan risks and increasing volatility
14:55 – Final investor takeaways
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🌿 Why investors may be overlooking one of the biggest risks in their portfolios
❓ Question:
If the ocean underpins climate stability, food security, global trade and biodiversity, why has it remained largely absent from investment frameworks, and how can investors better account for ocean-related risks and opportunities in their portfolios?
✅ Answer:
According to Sudip Hazra, director of the First Sentier MUFG Sustainable Investment Institute, the ocean is the world's largest natural asset class but remains one of the least understood by investors. Many investors already have significant exposure to ocean-related risks because industries across food production, tourism, shipping, infrastructure and consumer goods depend on healthy marine ecosystems. Hazra argues that oceans should be viewed as critical economic infrastructure rather than an environmental externality. By better understanding these dependencies, investors can improve risk management, identify new opportunities and support the transition to a more sustainable blue economy.
🌟 The ocean underpins far more of the economy than many investors realise
Hazra explains that ocean health influences a wide range of industries, even those not traditionally associated with marine assets. Every diversified investment portfolio is likely to contain companies that depend on oceans, waterways and marine ecosystems. Rather than sitting outside portfolios as an environmental concern, ocean-related risks and opportunities are already embedded within many existing investments.
🌟 Natural marine assets deliver significant economic value
The report highlights the Great Barrier Reef as an example of a natural asset that generates substantial economic activity. Beyond tourism, marine ecosystems such as coral reefs, mangroves and seagrass meadows provide coastal protection, support fisheries, store carbon and help sustain local economies. Hazra argues these assets should be recognised as economic infrastructure rather than simply environmental features.
🌟 Ocean exposure exists across unexpected sectors
Investors often assume ocean-related risks are confined to fisheries or shipping. However, Hazra points to examples such as pet food manufacturers whose supply chains depend on healthy marine biodiversity. As a result, companies in seemingly unrelated sectors are increasingly recognising the business value of maintaining healthy ocean ecosystems.
🌟 Better frameworks can improve investment decision-making
To help investors identify and manage ocean-related risks, the institute developed the Ocean Framework report. The framework is designed to help investors assess dependencies, evaluate risks, engage with portfolio companies and allocate capital more effectively. It includes engagement questions and sector-specific guidance for industries with significant ocean exposure.
🌟 Super funds can help close the blue finance funding gap
Hazra believes Australian super funds have an important role to play in accelerating investment into ocean-related solutions. This includes supporting investment-ready projects, improving data quality and engaging with companies on practical sustainability issues that affect marine ecosystems. Effective engagement can also influence policy outcomes and drive behavioural change across industries.
🌟 Ocean investing is closely linked to climate, biodiversity and food security
Rather than being a standalone sustainability theme, ocean health supports several of the most important long-term investment trends. Hazra argues that investors focused on climate resilience, biodiversity protection, food security and long-term value creation should also consider ocean-related risks because these challenges are deeply interconnected.
🚩 A lack of data continues to limit investment
One of the biggest barriers to ocean investing is the absence of consistent data and widely adopted frameworks. Investors often struggle to quantify ocean-related risks, resulting in underpricing of environmental impacts and underinvestment in solutions. Closing these data gaps is essential to improving capital allocation.
🚩 Governance remains fragmented
Unlike climate reporting, ocean-related regulation and disclosure frameworks remain relatively immature. Hundreds of overlapping policies and varying levels of enforcement can create uncertainty for investors seeking clarity around risks, standards and accountability.
⚠️ Ocean-related risks may emerge sooner than investors expect
Hazra cautions that ocean-related issues should not be viewed solely as long-term concerns. Marine pollution, biodiversity loss and water contamination can create immediate financial, operational and reputational risks for companies. These risks may affect supply chains, product availability and business profitability far sooner than many investors anticipate.
⚠️ Pollution and legal liabilities can become financially material
The interview highlights PFAS, or "forever chemicals", as an example of how poor environmental management can lead to significant litigation risks and financial impacts. Investors who fail to understand these exposures may underestimate potential liabilities within portfolios.
🌟 Looking ahead, oceans may become an increasingly important investment theme
Hazra believes investors are beginning to recognise that ocean health is fundamental to long-term economic resilience. As understanding improves and frameworks mature, investors may increasingly integrate ocean considerations into portfolio construction, stewardship activities and risk management processes. He argues that healthy oceans are not merely an environmental goal but a prerequisite for sustainable economic growth.
💡 Why it matters:
Ocean health supports critical economic systems including climate regulation, food production, global trade and biodiversity. Yet despite its importance, oceans remain underrepresented within traditional investment analysis. Hazra's research suggests investors may already be exposed to significant ocean-related risks without fully recognising them. As data improves and awareness grows, the ability to identify ocean dependencies and incorporate them into investment decisions could become an increasingly important part of managing risk, protecting long-term returns and supporting a more sustainable global economy.
🎙️ Sources:
Sudip Hazra, director, First Sentier MUFG Sustainable Investment Institute
Michelle Baltazar, host, The Greener Way
⏱️ Timestamps:
00:00 – Why oceans should be viewed as economic infrastructure
01:15 – Introducing the Ocean Framework report
02:00 – Why investors already have ocean exposure
04:23 – Examples of ocean assets hidden in portfolios
05:28 – Coral reefs, biodiversity and business dependency
07:00 – Why oceans have been overlooked by investors
08:51 – Understanding the blue finance funding gap
10:17 – Climate change, oceans and investment implications
11:28 – How super funds can help close the funding gap
13:00 – Policy engagement and reducing marine pollution
14:37 – Responding to short-term investment concerns
15:21 – The financial risks of marine pollution
17:00 – Where investors should start integrating ocean risks
18:15 – The Ocean Framework and engagement toolkit
20:15 – Final messages for investors and super funds

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🌱 Financial inclusion in the age of AI: Why access matters more than ever
❓ Question:
As artificial intelligence transforms financial services, how can the industry use technology to improve financial inclusion, and why should sustainability professionals view access to finance as a core sustainability issue?
✅ Answer:
According to Stuart White, executive director of business development at Impax Asset Management, financial inclusion extends far beyond simply having a bank account. It encompasses access to affordable financial products and services, including savings, credit, insurance, investments and retirement solutions.
While Australia has one of the world's highest rates of financial account ownership, significant challenges remain around financial literacy, affordable advice, retirement preparedness and access to suitable financial products. White argues that AI and technology could help narrow these gaps by making financial services more personalised, accessible and cost-effective. However, real progress will require strong governance, diversity of thought in AI development, and a greater focus on what he calls "human sustainability" alongside environmental sustainability.
🌟 Financial inclusion goes far beyond banking
White says financial inclusion is about ensuring people can access affordable financial products throughout their lives. That includes bank accounts, savings products, fair-priced credit, insurance, investments and retirement savings solutions.
Importantly, financial inclusion also involves education and helping people better understand increasingly complex financial decisions.
🌟 Australia remains a global leader in retirement savings
Drawing on his experience with the UK's pension system, White points to Australia's compulsory superannuation framework as a leading example of long-term financial inclusion.
While the UK has made significant progress through auto-enrolment pension schemes, Australia continues to demonstrate how consistent retirement contributions can improve financial outcomes across generations.
🌟 AI could dramatically lower the cost of financial advice
One of the biggest opportunities presented by AI is the potential to make financial guidance accessible to more people.
White notes that hybrid and technology-enabled advice models have already significantly reduced costs compared with traditional financial advice. As AI tools become more sophisticated, consumers may gain access to personalised financial support at a fraction of today's cost.
🌟 Personalisation could improve access to financial products
AI has the potential to create more accurate credit assessments and better match people with suitable financial products.
From lending and mortgages to savings and investment solutions, technology may help providers deliver services tailored to individual needs rather than relying on broad demographic assumptions.
🌟 Governance and safeguards remain critical
While AI creates opportunities, White cautions that risks are growing at the same time.
Cybercrime, deepfakes, scams and algorithmic bias all present challenges that must be addressed through strong governance frameworks. He argues that human oversight remains essential to ensure AI systems operate fairly and responsibly.
🌟 Diversity helps reduce bias in financial technology
White is a strong advocate for diversity and inclusion across financial services.
When designing AI systems, he believes diverse teams are better positioned to identify blind spots and reduce unconscious bias in algorithms. Diversity of thought, experience and backgrounds plays an important role in creating financial products that better serve society as a whole.
🌟 Financial inclusion supports economic growth
Greater access to financial services benefits not only individuals but entire economies.
White argues that helping more people save, invest and build financial resilience creates stronger communities, improves intergenerational wealth transfer and contributes to long-term economic prosperity.
🌟 The investment industry can play a larger role
Institutional investors are increasingly recognising financial inclusion as part of a broader sustainability agenda.
White says access to finance is one of the key sustainability themes considered by Impax Asset Management and should be viewed both as a societal opportunity and an investment consideration.
🌟 Sustainability is becoming more pragmatic and commercial
White believes sustainability is entering a new phase.
Rather than being driven primarily by ideology, sustainability is increasingly being linked to practical concerns such as energy security, economic resilience, supply chains and financial wellbeing. This pragmatic approach is helping organisations connect sustainability outcomes with commercial value creation.
💡 Why it matters:
Much of the sustainability conversation focuses on climate change, biodiversity and decarbonisation. However, financial inclusion is equally important for creating resilient communities and sustainable economies.
As AI reshapes financial services, organisations have an opportunity to improve access to affordable advice, credit, savings and retirement solutions. For sustainability professionals, the challenge is ensuring new technologies are designed responsibly and deliver benefits fairly across society. White argues that "human sustainability" should become a permanent part of boardroom discussions, sitting alongside environmental priorities as a core pillar of long-term value creation.
🎙️ Sources:
Stuart White, executive director of business development, Impax Asset Management
Michelle Baltazar, host, The Greener Way
Impax Asset Management
Nest (National Employment Savings Trust)

⏱️ Timestamps:
00:24 Introduction to Stuart White and financial inclusion
03:00 Defining financial inclusion beyond bank accounts
04:35 The biggest global financial inclusion gaps
06:31 How AI can improve access to financial services
08:13 Governance, cybersecurity and AI risks
09:30 Diversity and bias in AI development
11:40 How financial inclusion benefits economies
13:33 Creating jobs and investing for future prosperity
15:11 Practical lessons for sustainability professionals
16:29 Why sustainability is becoming more commercial and pragmatic
18:40 The case for human sustainability

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