Theology in the Raw

When does church leadership become spiritual manipulation? And how do you disagree with a pastor who says, “God told me”? Preston talks with New Testament scholar Joshua W. Jipp about how even well-meaning Christian leaders can cross the line from serving people to controlling them.
Drawing on his book, How (Not) to Be a Tyrant, Josh explores what the Bible’s worst rulers reveal about power, ambition, and the temptation to use God’s authority to advance our own agendas. We discuss why charisma and results aren’t enough to identify a healthy leader, how fear can become a tool of control, and what makes Jesus’ approach to leadership radically different.
We also wrestle with church leadership structures, Paul’s use of authority, Romans 13 and Revelation 13, and when Christians should submit, push back, or leave. Along the way, we consider the faithful pastors whose humility and service rarely make the headlines.
Joshua W. Jipp (PhD, Emory University) is associate professor of New Testament at the University of Notre Dame. He is the author of several books, including his most recent book, How (Not) to Be a Tyrant: Ten Lessons on Life and Leadership from the Bible’s Worst Rulers (Brazos Press).

CHAPTERS
00:00 When spiritual authority becomes control
00:39 Introducing Joshua W. Jipp
02:19 Why study the Bible’s worst rulers?
07:04 Leadership and power throughout the Bible
09:55 Did God want Israel to have a king?
13:32 Sponsors
15:53 The temptation facing well-meaning leaders
17:47 Using God to advance a leader’s agenda
18:59 Why success and charisma aren’t enough
23:16 Does the Bible prescribe a church leadership structure?
28:29 How can a servant leader exercise authority?
34:58 Subtle warning signs of controlling leadership
37:57 When disagreeing with a leader means disagreeing with God
39:46 Can other leaders genuinely push back?
40:59 How fear becomes a tool of control
42:18 Submitting to bad rulers: Romans 13 and Revelation 13
47:30 When should you push back on church leadership?
51:13 The faithful pastors who don’t make headlines
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Are Christians being fair in how we understand Islam? Palestinian Christian scholar Dr. Daniel Bannoura joins Preston Sprinkle to explore Islam and Christianity, religious violence, what the Quran says about Jesus, and the treatment of women.

In the fourth and final episode of our Understanding Islam series, Daniel helps me process my conversations with Javad Hashmi, Gabriel Said Reynolds, and Fariza Gulomikova, including some of the pushback the series received.

Daniel grew up in the West Bank and earned his PhD in Islamic Studies at Notre Dame, focusing on the biblical subtext of the Qur’an. We discuss the relationship between the Quran and Hadith, Islamic teachings about Jesus and the Trinity, and Daniel’s interpretation of the Quran’s passage on the crucifixion.

We also wrestle with Christianity’s own history of justifying violence and how politics, culture, and education shape Muslim communities. And I press Daniel on whether Christianity and Islam offer distinct visions for the treatment of women.

It’s a challenging conversation about real theological differences, our own assumptions, and what it means to love our Muslim neighbors faithfully.

Watch or listen to Extra Innings at https://patreon.com/theologyintheraw, where Daniel and I tackle your questions: Is Islam animated by dark spiritual forces? Is it a Christian heresy or a separate religion? What can Christians learn from Muslims? And how should we respond to fears about Sharia law in America?

CHAPTERS
00:00 A Palestinian Christian’s experience of violence
00:31 Understanding Islam: The series finale
02:22 Meet Dr. Daniel Bannoura
05:13 Learning to love Muslim neighbors
08:31 Reflecting on the Islam series
12:31 Was Javad Hashmi representative of Islam?
18:22 The Quran, Hadith, and Islamic scholarship
24:22 What does Islam teach about Jesus?
28:27 The Quran and the Trinity
30:08 Does the Quran deny Jesus’ crucifixion?
35:43 How religious traditions develop
38:14 Why focus on violence and women?
40:27 Comparing Christian and Muslim violence
44:30 Muslim diversity beyond the stereotypes
45:43 Colonialism, politics, and religious extremism
48:37 Women, culture, and education
52:08 Do Christianity and Islam treat women differently?
55:00 Jesus’ countercultural treatment of women
59:41 Your questions answered in Extra Innings
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What is constant noise doing to our souls? And why can being alone with God feel so uncomfortable?
John Mark Comer joins Preston to discuss his latest book, Into the Quiet: Following Jesus in a World of Noise. We explore how noise affects our capacity to love God and others, what surfaced during John Mark’s 21-day solitude retreat, and why silence often brings us face-to-face with the pain we’ve been avoiding.
John Mark also shares why quiet doesn’t come naturally to him, how to practice solitude within the demands of everyday life, the difference between solitude and loneliness, and the surprising structure of the small church he helps pastor.
John Mark Comer is the New York Times bestselling author of eight books, including Practicing the Way, which was named the 2025 Christian Book of the Year by the ECPA, and The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry, which has sold more than a million copies and been translated into over 20 languages. His latest book is Into the Quiet: Following Jesus in a World of Noise, which forms the basis of our conversation. John Mark is a pastor and the founder of Practicing the Way, an organization working to see the renewal of apprenticeship to Jesus in our time.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Why solitude is so hard
00:49 Introducing John Mark Comer
03:57 Running, ministry, and friendship
07:24 Why your body matters for spiritual formation
10:27 Writing theology that people can understand
12:53 Noise is a threat to our souls
13:48 Sponsors
15:45 How noise affects our bodies and relationships
21:47 John Mark’s 21-day solitude retreat
24:32 What we learn when distractions are stripped away
27:36 Jesus’ rhythm of retreat and return
30:49 Becoming a person of quiet in an anxious world
34:45 Solitude for busy people and extroverts
38:39 Finding quiet within the life you actually have
42:08 The difference between solitude and loneliness
44:56 Inside John Mark’s small church community
47:51 Extra Innings: Women in church leadership
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What happens when the story you grew up believing meets the people whose voices were missing from it?
Peter Beinart joins Preston to discuss how spending time with Palestinians challenged his understanding of Israel, Jewish identity, and the relationship between safety and freedom. They explore his experience of October 7, the history of Palestinian displacement, his comparison with apartheid South Africa, and why he believes the conflict is bigger than Hamas. Peter also reflects on the personal cost of challenging his community’s assumptions and why he argues that nationalism can become a form of idolatry.
Peter is Professor of Journalism and Political Science at the Newmark School of Journalism at the City University of New York, a contributing opinion writer at The New York Times, Editor-at-Large of Jewish Currents, an MS NOW political commentator, and a Non-Resident Fellow at the Foundation for Middle East Peace. He writes the Beinart Notebook newsletter on Substack. His latest book, Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning, is a New York Times bestseller and winner of the PEN/John Kenneth Galbraith Award for Nonfiction.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction
08:00 Peter’s experience of October 7
10:35 Rethinking Israel after meeting Palestinians
13:52 The history Peter grew up believing
18:44 Understanding 1948: Independence and the Nakba
23:43 Grieving October 7 and opposing Israel’s response
26:40 Why this conflict is bigger than Hamas
32:01 Lessons from apartheid South Africa
35:05 Why Peter calls Israel’s system apartheid
40:59 America’s role and support for Israel
45:19 The personal cost of speaking out
48:19 Judaism, Zionism, and nationalism as idolatry
52:47 Is there hope for equality and freedom?
56:29 Extra Innings: American evangelicals and Israel

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What happens when immigrants who came to the U.S. legally lose their status and face deportation? And what happens to their American-born children when the country their parents could be sent to is considered too dangerous to visit?
Matthew Soerens joins Preston to unpack some of the biggest questions and misconceptions surrounding immigration. Why don’t immigrants just come legally? Do undocumented immigrants take American jobs? What does the evidence say about immigration and violent crime? And how should Christians weigh respect for the law alongside the biblical commands to love our neighbors and welcome strangers?
Matthew Soerens is World Relief’s vice president of advocacy and policy and is the co-author of three books: Welcoming the Stranger (InterVarsity Press, 2018), Inalienable (InterVarsity Press, 2022), and Seeking Refuge (Moody Publishers, 2026), which just released a second edition. Matt also serves as the National Coordinator for the Evangelical Immigration Table, a coalition that advocates for immigration reforms consistent with biblical values.

Chapters:
0:00 Haitian families and the danger of separation
0:44 How should Christians think about immigration?
5:15 Starting with Scripture, not party talking points
10:34 Romans 13 and changing legal status
12:38 What’s happening to Haitian families in Springfield?
18:51 Why was temporary protected status withdrawn?
21:25 What can churches do for affected families?
23:58 Can people with temporary status apply to stay?
26:42 Why don’t immigrants just come legally?
35:54 Do immigrants take American jobs?
41:46 What about undocumented immigrants and the economy?
48:36 A proposed path to make things right
51:00 Do immigrants commit more violent crime?
55:25 What would mass deportation mean for the church?
58:26 What do evangelical Christians actually believe?
1:00:54 Seeking Refuge and the global refugee crisis
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