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• Open Source, Agents, and the Next AI Wave w/ Angie Jones

  Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (01:18) - Wine rating & review (03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT (04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language? (04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language? (05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it? (09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career (14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data (23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter? (25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec (26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP? (31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape (36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks (39:41) - Where to find Angie online Links Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones Block: https://block.xyz/ MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ Claude: https://claude.ai ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/ HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/ CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ GitHub: https://github.com/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ GooseAI: https://goose.ai/ Sam Altman: https://x.com/sama Peter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel Marc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/ Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/ Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/ Connect with Jason Website: https://jason.energy/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf Connect with Angie Website: https://angiejones.tech X / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• Why Open Source Might Be Your Best Career Move w/ Shruti Kapoor

  Recorded at All Things Open 2025, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf chat with developer-turned-creator Shruti Kapoor about her leap from Slack and PayPal to YouTube, the joys and pitfalls of open source, and eternal web dev debates. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (01:37) - Wine rating & review: Fre Sparkling Brut (06:33) - Hot Take: git rebase vs. git merge (09:11) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language? (09:41) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language? (10:20) - Hot take: classes vs. functional components (11:13) - Hot Take: Remix, TanStack, or Next.js? (15:02) - Hot Take: console.log vs debugger (16:11) - Hot Take: Were React server components a mistake? (20:42) - How open source changed Shruti’s career (22:23) - The real value of contributing to open source (26:05) - What is the React Foundation and why it matters (28:58) - Highlights from React Conf and new features (31:01) - From Slack engineer to independent creator (34:34) - Choosing what content to make (and why) (37:58) - Shruti’s dog, discipline, and life lessons (40:01) - What would Shruti do if not in tech? (40:30) - Where to find Shruti online Links Fre Sparkling Brut: https://www.frewines.com/ Wes Bos: https://wesbos.com/ Syntax: https://syntax.fm/ Slack: https://slack.com/ PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com React: https://react.dev/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/ CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ TanStack: https://tanstack.com/ Next.js: https://nextjs.org/ Remix: https://remix.run/ Astro: https://astro.build/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/ React Conf: https://conf.react.dev/ React Foundation: https://react.dev/blog/2025/10/07/introducing-the-react-foundation Linux Foundation: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/ Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Google Home: https://home.google.com/welcome/ Primeagen: https://x.com/ThePrimeagen ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/ MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ Shruti's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@shrutikapoor08 16 Common React useEffect Mistakes You’re Making: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOPO2V6MHI Connect with Jason Website: https://jason.energy/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf Connect with Shruti Website: https://shrutikapoor.dev/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/shrutikapoor08 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• Rust Is Overrated w/ Naman Goel

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Naman Goel about the origins and evolution of StyleX, how it integrates with React and other frameworks, and the pros and cons of different programming languages like Rust, TypeScript, and Swift. They dive into the challenges of building performant, type-safe styling systems, the surprising complexity of theme APIs, designing for developer experience, and more. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (02:26) - Whiskey rating & review: Glenfiddich 12 Year Old single malt Scotch (09:13) - South Park, spy thrillers & sleeper hits you missed (11:20) - Flow vs TypeScript (14:59) - How CSS shaped Naman’s perspective on type systems (18:45) - How StyleX works—and why it’s different from Tailwind (21:02) - Tailwind Merge vs StyleX props: performance smackdown (22:16) - Real-world use case: when and why you’d want to merge styles (25:45) - Inside the making of StyleX and its powerful theming system (32:56) - Robbie and Adam wrangle Vue transitions in Astro (36:09) - GIF or JIF? SPA or “spa”? (40:36) - Building StarPod.dev: streaming audio across pages (42:30) - Can you reduce client-side router noise? (46:03) - Should you spec your idea or just blog it? (47:18) - Naman’s journey into writing web specs (48:44) - What is link delegation? (52:39) - Hot Take: Is Rust overrated? (01:02:17) - The dream language Naman wishes someone would build (01:04:57) - Are AI-generated programming languages just around the corner? (01:05:53) - A spicy take on CSS syntax and readability (01:06:27) - Is CSS finally catching up to StyleX? (01:07:43) - Plugs & where to follow Naman Links Glenfiddich 12 Year Old single malt Scotch: https://shop.us.glenfiddich.com/products/glenfiddich-12-year-old South Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park Dungeons & Dragons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons Alien Earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien:_Earth Ozark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozark_(TV_series) Jason Bateman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bateman Black Rabbit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rabbit Slow Horses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Horses Slow Horses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Horses Typescript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ StyleX: https://stylexjs.com/ React: https://react.dev/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ SolidJS: https://www.solidjs.com/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Astro: https://astro.build/ QuickJS: https://github.com/quickjs-ng/quickjs Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Angular: https://angular.dev/ Vanilla Extract: https://vanilla-extract.style/ Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ PHP: https://www.php.net/ Figma: https://www.figma.com/ Theme UI: https://theme-ui.com/ Stitches: https://stitches.dev/ Starpod.dev: https://starpod.dev/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/ Livewire: https://laravel-livewire.com/ Jason Miller - Application Holotypes: A Guide to Architecture Decisions: https://jasonformat.com/application-holotypes/ morphdom: https://github.com/patrick-steele-idem/morphdom HTMX: https://htmx.org/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ CSS-Tricks: https://css-tricks.com/ Swift: https://www.swift.org/ Python: https://www.python.org/ C++: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp Go: https://go.dev/ esbuild: https://esbuild.github.io/ OCaml: https://ocaml.org/ Prettier: https://prettier.io/ Haskell: https://www.haskell.org/ Elm: https://elm-lang.org/ CoffeeScript: http://coffeescript.org/ LightningScript: https://lightningscript.dev/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Chris Coyier: https://x.com/chriscoyier React Summit: https://reactsummit.com/ Solenoid: https://github.com/nmn/solenoid Connect with Naman Website: https://nmn.sh/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/naman34 Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/nmn.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• Is CSS a Programming Language? w/ Kevin Powell

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Kevin Powell about the quirks and complexities of CSS, from Tailwind and Flexbox to AI’s failure to write decent styles. While sipping some Crown Royal Black, they dig into weird web history, emerging CSS specs, toast milestones, and the beauty of clean code. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (02:51) - Whiskey rating & review: Crown Royal Black (07:54) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language? (09:54) - Hot Take: Was CSS-in-JS a mistake? (10:53) - Hot Take: Grid vs Flexbox (12:31) - Hot Take: Tailwind vs vanilla CSS? (16:05) - Kevin's favorite place to write CSS (17:45) - What CSS feature scares Kevin the most? (19:20) - Kevin's first CSS pre-processor (22:40) - CSS features that are taking too long to ship (27:22) - text-box-trim vs margin-trim (29:53) - Why attr() is a game-changer for CSS (31:18) - NPM package chaos and security concerns (32:16) - The “billion laughs” CSS attack (33:19) - Why can't AI write CSS? (36:52) - Wake-and-bake? Kevin’s sourdough & kombucha hobby (38:42) - Kevin’s homebrewing and water shortage woes (40:28) - Hobbies, football, and making time for fun (42:44) - What would Kevin do if not in tech? (44:41) - Kevin's favorite CSS typo (45:58) - Rebuilding Tailwind from scratch (46:53) - Vanilla CSS vs. Tailwind: Who wins a coding race? (50:08) - Plugs Links Crown Royal Black: https://www.crownroyal.com/canadian-whisky/crown-royal-black All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ General Musings: https://www.youtube.com/@GeneralMusings Frontend Masters: https://frontendmasters.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Ken Wheeler: https://x.com/ken_wheeler/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript Figma: https://www.figma.com/ CSS Grid: https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_grid.asp Flexbox: https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_flexbox.asp Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Grok: https://grok.com/ CodePen: https://codepen.io/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com Emmet: https://emmet.io/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Saas: https://sass-lang.com/ Stylus: https://www.npmjs.com/package/stylus TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ CoffeeScript: http://coffeescript.org/ Sarah Soueidan: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan Shepherd: https://www.shepherdjs.dev/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ Swatch: https://swatch.dev/ Colorzilla: https://www.colorzilla.com/ TinyColor: https://bgrins.github.io/TinyColor/ CrowdStrike: https://www.crowdstrike.com/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Chris Coyier: https://x.com/chriscoyier Virginia Tech: https://www.vt.edu/ The Eagles: https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ Saquon Barkley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saquon_Barkley Adam Wathan: https://x.com/adamwathan/ Kevin on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/kevinpowell Connect with Kevin Website: https://www.kevinpowell.co/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co Courses: https://www.kevinpowell.co/courses/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• TalkShop Show w/ Macho Man Randy Standards

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Dave "Macho Man Randy Standards" Rupert about whiskey, web culture, and the quirks of building side projects. They dive into the shifting landscape of the web—AI-driven development, spec-driven workflows, RSS’s decline, and the joy (and pain) of creative tinkering. In this episode:(00:00) - Intro(03:21) - Whiskey rating and review: Suntory World Whiskey Ao(16:30) - Is the open web in decline?(17:16) - How we search and learn in 2025(22:31) - Discovering Strudel(24:44) - Dave’s Strudel vibe-coding experiment(27:15) - The promise and limits of AI in programming(28:39) - Getting into spec-driven development(34:11) - The pain of publishing apps(36:51) - Weird camera quirks across platforms(40:19) - Could you code on a horse?(41:35) - Voice-based vibe-coding(42:45) - Making coding approachable for kids(45:54) - Side hustles and money outside tech(52:04) - Dave's shoutout to Storybook(58:49) - Plugs Links ShopTalk Show: https://shoptalkshow.com/ Suntory World Whiskey Ao: https://house.suntory.com/ao-whisky Jim Beam Pineapple: https://www.jimbeam.com/en-us/bourbons/jim-beam-pineapple Descript: https://www.descript.com/ Taco Bell Chili Cheese Burrito: https://www.tacobell.com/newsroom/taco-bell-rewinds-to-the-2000s-with-decades-y2k-menu-featuring-iconic-fan McDonald's McRib: https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/mcrib.html Pringles: https://www.pringles.com/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript Astro: https://astro.build/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Mitosis: https://github.com/BuilderIO/mitosis React: https://react.dev/ SolidJS: https://www.solidjs.com/ Trent Walton: https://trentwalton.com/ CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ Google Amp: https://developers.google.com/amp Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/ The Verge: https://www.theverge.com Google Amp: https://developers.google.com/amp Kottke: https://kottke.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Strudel: https://strudel.cc/ Lincoln Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot Bolt: https://bolt.new/ Lovable: https://lovable.dev/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Deloitte: https://www.deloitte.com/ Intel: https://www.intel.com/ Coder: https://coder.com/ Kiro: https://kiro.dev/ Peppeteer: https://pptr.dev/ Electron: https://www.electronjs.org/ MacOS: https://www.apple.com/macos/ Linux: https://www.linux.org/ Fuji: https://global.fujifilm.com/ Lomography: https://www.lomography.com iPad: https://www.apple.com/ipad/ Vim: https://www.vim.org/ Warp Code video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3jFHfIvyf8 Pico 8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php Lua: https://www.lua.org/ COBOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL Spike LEGO Education: https://spike.legoeducation.com/ South Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park Jeff Bezos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos Elon Musk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Home Depot: https://www.homedepot.com/ Hassle Free Home: https://myhasslefreehome.com/ Storybook: https://storybook.js.org/ Brad Frost: https://x.com/brad_frost Riverside: https://riverside.com/ FAST: https://fast.design/ Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ Notion: https://www.notion.com/ All Thing Open: https://2025.allthingsopen.org/ Connect with Dave Website: https://daverupert.com/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/davatron5000.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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