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【聊了什么The What】 这一期小蓝和一芳请来友台「大波福娃」的酸酸和小苕，一起聊 HBO Max 黑色喜剧《绝望写手 Hacks》：一部从 2021 年播到今年 6 月大结局、拿下 14 座艾美奖的剧集。故事讲的是拉斯维加斯驻场的过气传奇喜剧女演员 Deborah Vance，和一个被行业封杀的 25 岁新人写手 Ava Daniels，如何从针锋相对到成为彼此的创作搭档、伴侣和挚友。我们四个女的从追剧节奏聊起，一路谈到脱口秀创作的真实体验、女性做喜剧要付出的代价、Deborah 与 Ava 之间说不清的关系（老板员工？母女？浪漫爱？），最后落到全剧真正想问的问题：一个创作者要如何被这个世界记住。 This episode Izzy and Yifang brought on Suan and Shao from our sister show DatBeauvoir to talk about the HBO Max dark comedy Hacks, which ran from 2021 to its finale this past June and picked up 14 Emmys along the way. The show follows Deborah Vance, a washed-up legendary comedian doing a residency in Las Vegas, and Ava Daniels, a 25-year-old writer who's been blacklisted by the industry, and how they go from sworn enemies to creative partners, life partners, and each other's closest confidantes. The four of us talk about everything from our binge-watching habits to what it's really like to write stand-up (Suan and Shao both have brilliant sets,) what women in comedy have to sacrifice, and the relationship between Deborah and Ava that defies easy labels (boss and employee? mother and daughter? something closer to romance?) and finally landing on the question the whole show is really asking: how does a creator get remembered by the world? 【本期嘉宾 Our guests:】 小苕 (it/its)：一个擅长端盘子的骄傲土豆 酸酸(she/her)：一包先酸后甜的绿色彩虹糖 Shao (it/its): A potato with Chinese characteristics. Can’t be fried or smashed. Suan (she/her): A bag of zesty green Skittles with the sweetest aftertaste. 【时间轴 The When】 00:58 《Hacks》剧集背景：HBO Max 黑色喜剧 02:47 我们是怎么看剧的——从两周到"五天速通" 04:00 五季剧情回顾：从相识、写专场，到深夜秀风波、诉讼边缘、最终和解 06:49 酸酸和小苕自己的创作过程与真实经历的对照 08:15 剧中喜剧表演是否真的好笑？拆解 Deborah 的经典段子 "fire joke" 14:25 Deborah 与 Ava 的关系：年龄差、阶级错位、政治立场分歧 19:16 全网嗑 CP：Deborah Ava关系与传统言情剧叙事的相似之处 21:00 母女关系的影子 27:05 女性做喜剧要付出什么代价以及痛苦如何转化成作品 33:51 为什么痛苦的段子能让人笑出来：真实与才华的关系 41:00 Hacks创作缘起：三位主创的采风故事，Hannah Einbinder怎么可能不是Ava本娃？ 42:54 配角线：Jimmy、Kayla、Robbie 与好莱坞旧秩序的更迭 51:59 Deborah 的谷底重生、MSG座无虚席的梦想和反抗 58:00 Deborah 为什么拒绝把段子授权给 AI 公司 1:00:00 大结局：短暂的人生与不朽的艺术 1:03:00 场外花絮：Jean Smart 和剧中人物的相似艺术人生 00:58 Background on Hacks: an HBO Max dark comedy 02:47 How we each watched the show — from two weeks to a five-day binge 04:00 Recapping all five seasons: from their first meeting and writing the special, to the late-night show fallout, the near-lawsuit, and the eventual reconciliation 06:49 酸酸 and 小苕 on how their own creative process compares to the show's 08:15 Is the stand-up in the show actually funny? Breaking down Deborah's signature "fire joke" 14:25 Deborah and Ava's relationship: the age gap, the class mismatch, the political divide 19:16 The internet's shipping obsession — how it echoes traditional romance-drama beats 21:00 Shades of a mother-daughter dynamic 27:05 What women in comedy have to give up, and how pain gets turned into material 33:51 Why painful jokes can still make us laugh: authenticity vs. talent 41:00 The origins of Hacks: the creators' research process, and how Hannah Einbinder could not have been anyone but Ava 42:54 The supporting cast — Jimmy, Kayla, Robbie — and the changing of the guard in old Hollywood 51:59 Deborah's comeback from rock bottom, the dream of a sold-out MSG show, and her refusal to give up 58:00 Why Deborah turns down licensing her material to an AI company 1:00:00 The finale: a short life, an immortal art 1:03:00 Behind the scenes: the parallels between Jean Smart's own career and her character's 【拓展链接 The Links】 《大城小妞 Broad City》 《心灵奇旅 Soul》 Hannah gadsby: Nanette 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 四个人的大脑里只剩下三件事：尼克斯夺冠、世界杯，以及成年人死不要脸非要过的暑假。 这期依旧没有大纲、没有知识、没有准备，只有氛围。 Only three things left in our four smooth brains: the Knicks winning it all, the World Cup, and the summer break four grown adults shamelessly insisted on taking. Still no outline, no knowledge, no prep, vibes only. 【时间轴 The When】 00:17 开场：这期一毛钱大纲都没有，vibe check 的核心就是没有核心 03:13 尼克斯夺冠：纽约漫长的冬天终于结束了 12:31 纽约的亲儿子和亲女儿，Spike Lee 的场边人生 17:54 世界杯：中国队没进，于是我自由了 34:16 外行提问：守门员为什么跑出来？任意球时谁躺在地上？ 39:56 世界杯里的移民美国：移民社区、办公室的两台电视、两国小吃，和破防的同事 51:23 ESPN《30 for 30》之《Bad Boys》与罗德曼 53:38 Olivia Wilde 的黑色喜剧：四个人、一间屋子、一场摇摇欲坠的婚姻 59:05 Patrick Radden Keefe 新书《London Falling》 60:09 一部会让所有人哗哗大哭的羊侦探电影 62:59 纳博科夫《普宁》与《微暗的火》：不可靠叙述者的迷宫 00:17 Opening: not a shred of an outline this time — the whole point of a vibe check is that there is no point 03:13 The Knicks take the title: New York's long winter is finally over 12:31 New York's real son and real daughter, and Spike Lee's life at courtside 17:54 The World Cup: China didn't qualify, so I was free 34:16 Questions from the clueless: why does the goalkeeper run upfield? Who has to lie down during a free kick? 39:56 Immigrant America at the World Cup: the neighborhoods, two TVs in the office, snacks from both countries, and colleagues coming undone 51:23 ESPN's 30 for 30: Bad Boys, and the Rodman one 53:38 Olivia Wilde's black comedy: four people, one room, one marriage falling apart 59:05 Patrick Radden Keefe's new book, London Falling 60:09 The sheep-detective movie that makes absolutely everyone sob 62:59 Nabokov's Pnin and Pale Fire: a labyrinth of unreliable narrators 【拓展链接 The Links】 影视 《The Invite》(2026) 《The Drama》(2026) 《The Sheep Detectives》(2026) ESPN《30 for 30》之《Bad Boys》(2014) ESPN《30 for 30》之《Rodman: For Better or Worse》(2019) 书 Patrick Radden Keefe《London Falling》(2026) — 副标题 A Mysterious Death in a Gilded City and a Family's Search for Truth，围绕 19 岁的 Zac Brettler 之死展开。（Goodreads） 纳博科夫《普宁 Pnin》(1957) 纳博科夫《微暗的火 Pale Fire》(1962) Hernan Diaz《Trust》(2022) Anne Helen Petersen 的 newsletter《Culture Study》 — 同名播客在 culturestudypod.substack.com 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 克里斯托弗·诺兰的《奥德赛》已成为2026年无可争议的文化现象，我们也从书柜的角落里把奥德赛淘了出来。这期节目我们对比了3000年前的荷马文本与2026年的好莱坞叙事——这究竟是对荷马史诗的忠实改编，还是诺兰式的现代男性忏悔录？本期《疲惫娇娃》，我们聊了聊Emily Wilson译本中那个复杂的男人如何被马特·达蒙演绎成了稳重的中年大哥，探讨了佩内洛普、喀耳刻等女性角色在诺兰镜头下如何变得薄如纸片。为何诺兰总是执着于拍“做错事的男人”在内心博弈，而忽视了受害者应有的分量？为何马特·达蒙的脸让人想投他一票，却消解了原作中骗子英雄的油腻感？ Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey has become the undisputed cultural phenomenon of 2026, so we dug our own copy of the Odyssey out of the corner of the bookshelf. This episode compares Homer's 3,000-year-old text with Hollywood's 2026 retelling — is this a faithful adaptation of the epic, or a Nolan-style confession of modern masculinity? On this episode of 疲惫娇娃CyberPink, we talk about how the complicated man of Emily Wilson's translation became a reliable middle-aged PTSD vet, and how female characters like Penelope and Circe turn paper-thin under Nolan's lens. Why is Nolan forever fixated on the inner struggles of "men who did something wrong," while giving the victims none of the weight they deserve? And why does Matt Damon's face make you want to vote for him — while dissolving the sleazy, trickster-hero quality of the original? 【时间轴 The When】 02:23 - 《奥德赛》剧情概览：奥德修斯的长路与归乡 05:47 - 工业电影的诚意：演员在船上泡了四个月的真实质感 14:41 - 导演的作者权力：从《奥本海默》的成功到《奥德赛》的空白支票 22:22 - 作为流动的西方正典，为何翻译即创造 39:01 - 独眼巨人Polyphemus：动作奇观对叙事复杂性的牺牲 50:01 - 核心主题：宙斯法则（Xenia）与当代社会对他者的恐惧 62:35 - 麦特·达蒙的“好人脸”与奥德修斯的油腻感 69:34 - 艾略特·佩吉的角色与跨性别政治的潜文本 74:51 - 纸面化的女性群像：喀耳刻、卡吕普索与佩内洛普的改编缺憾 89:01 - 王子成长记：荷兰弟饰演的忒勒马科斯带来的日常温情 100:34 - 尾声：在台下传纸条的听众比老师的课堂更重要 02:23 — The Odyssey plot overview: Odysseus's long road home 05:47 — The sincerity of industrial filmmaking: four months of actors actually soaking on a boat 14:41 — The director as author: from the success of Oppenheimer to the blank check of The Odyssey 22:22 — The Western canon as something fluid, and why translation is creation 39:01 — Polyphemus the Cyclops: action spectacle at the cost of narrative complexity 50:01 — Core theme: the law of Zeus (xenia) and contemporary society's fear of the other 62:35 — Matt Damon's "good guy face" vs. Odysseus's sleaziness 69:34 — Elliot Page's role and the subtext of trans politics 74:51 — Flattened women: what the adaptation loses in Circe, Calypso, and Penelope 89:01 — A prince grows up: the everyday warmth Tom Holland brings to Telemachus 100:34 — Closing: the audience passing notes in the back row matters more than the teacher's lecture 【拓展链接 The Links】 Instagram上跨性别权益倡导者@justflintisfine对奥德赛的点评 译者对诺兰奥德赛的批评 An Uncomplicated Man Elliot Page的专访 Elliot Page Is Ready for This Moment The Penelopiad Middle-Aged Matt Damon is Your Guy What Translator Emily Wilson Thinks of Christopher Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ Why ‘The Odyssey’ Is the West’s Greatest Story 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 《台湾漫游录》线下读书会： 8月9日，我们会在纽约中文独立书店Accent Sisters举办《台湾漫游录》线下读书会。故事讲述了1938年日本统治台湾时期，一位年轻的日本女性小说家来到岛上，希望能一路吃穿台湾，在这个过程中她爱上了自己的女性翻译，但却苦于难以克服殖民者与被殖民者之间的鸿沟。这本书今年斩获了国际布克奖，是首部获得这部奖项的华语原著作品。 读书会链接：https://luma.com/yayseynm "Taiwan Travelogue" In-Person Book Club: On August 9th, we'll be hosting an in-person book club for Taiwan Travelogue at Accent Sisters, a Chinese-language independent bookstore in New York. The story follows a young Japanese novelist who travels to Taiwan during the Japanese colonial period in 1938, hoping to eat and dress her way across the island. Along the way, she falls in love with her female translator, but struggles to overcome the gulf between colonizer and colonized. The book won this year's International Booker Prize, making it the first Chinese-language original work to receive the award. Book club link: https://luma.com/yayseynm 【聊了什么The What】 这期节目，我们和友台新新人类的主播采薇把去年两部大火的关于家庭创伤的电影——《情感价值》和左撇子女孩。一部是台北夜市里五光十色的单亲家庭故事，一部是奥斯陆老宅里安静流淌的父女和解。表面上文化背景毫不相干，但其实在讲同一件事：房子如何变成家族秘密的容器，孩子如何在大人自己都说不清的沉默里，替上一代扛下没有被言说的创伤。 孩童视角的滤镜，是四两拨千斤的巧思，还是对真实伤害的一次美化和逃避？一个从未说出"对不起"的父亲，值得被原谅吗？还是我们能给出的，只是一种不求回报的宽恕？创伤到底是应该被讲述出来，还是有些沉默本该被尊重？ In this episode, we're joined by Caiwei, our friend from Pixel Perfect, to talk about two of last year's buzziest films about family trauma: Sentimental Value and Left-Handed Girl. One is a single-mother story set amid the neon chaos of a Taipei night market; the other is a quiet, slow-burning father-daughter reconciliation unfolding inside an old house in Oslo. On the surface, the cultural backdrops couldn't be more different, but underneath, both films are doing the same thing: turning a house into a vessel for family secrets, and asking how children end up carrying the unspoken trauma of the generation before them, inherited through silences the adults themselves can't put into words. Is the child's-eye filter a clever, light-touch device, or is it a way of prettifying and dodging real harm? Does a father who never says "I'm sorry" deserve to be forgiven — or is the most we can offer him a kind of grace that asks for nothing in return? And should trauma be spoken aloud at all, or is some silence owed its own respect? 【时间轴 The When】 03:50 - 《左撇子女孩》剧情简介：台北夜市里破碎的三代女性 26:25 - 两片中的孩子：以静 vs Eric，谁在拯救谁 31:30 - 母亲与姐姐角色的"男性意淫"式书写 45:43 - 父亲是"Art Monster"：唯一的爱的管道是作品 56:28 - 挪威二战历史、祖母之死与集体沉默 63:16 - Elle Fanning与美国：天真的旁观者，以及一把"骗人"的IKEA椅子 73:29 - Catherine Liu的"创伤文化"理论：好莱坞的同理心剧场 77:14 - 宽恕与原谅的区别：Nora 和 Agnes 的成长弧光 89:15 - 一部关于电影、表演与创伤消费的电影 03:50 - Left-Handed Girl plot rundown: three generations of women coming apart in a Taipei night market 26:25 - The kids in both films: Yijing vs. Eric — who's actually saving whom 31:30 - The mother and older sister as "male-gaze fantasy" — how their characters are written 45:43 - The father as "Art Monster": art as his only channel for love 56:28 - Norway's WWII history, the grandmother's death, and a collective silence 63:16 - Elle Fanning and America: the innocent bystander, plus one very deceptive IKEA chair 73:29 - Catherine Liu's "trauma culture" theory: Hollywood's theater of empathy 77:14 - Grace vs. forgiveness: the arcs of Nora and Agnes 89:15 - A film about filmmaking, performance, and the consumption of trauma 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 我们最近会举办两个读书会活动！ 《台湾漫游录》线下读书会： 8月9日，我们会在纽约中文独立书店Accent Sisters举办《台湾漫游录》线下读书会。故事讲述了1938年日本统治台湾时期，一位年轻的日本女性小说家来到岛上，希望能一路吃穿台湾，在这个过程中她爱上了自己的女性翻译，但却苦于难以克服殖民者与被殖民者之间的鸿沟。这本书今年斩获了国际布克奖，是首部获得这部奖项的华语原著作品。 读书会链接：https://luma.com/yayseynm Apple in China 线上读书会： 7月24日，我们想和大家一起线上共读Patrick McGee 的热销作品 Apple in China。这本书细致讲述了苹果如何在中国建立起现代史上最复杂、最高效的制造与供应链体系之一，也讲述了中国如何成为世界上最有价值公司的关键支柱。作者 Patrick McGee 将在活动最后 30 分钟加入我们，回答大家的问题；问答部分使用英文。 读书会链接：https://luma.com/buwyzrkk We have two book club events coming up soon! "Taiwan Travelogue" In-Person Book Club: On August 9th, we'll be hosting an in-person book club for Taiwan Travelogue at Accent Sisters, a Chinese-language independent bookstore in New York. The story follows a young Japanese novelist who travels to Taiwan during the Japanese colonial period in 1938, hoping to eat and dress her way across the island. Along the way, she falls in love with her female translator, but struggles to overcome the gulf between colonizer and colonized. The book won this year's International Booker Prize, making it the first Chinese-language original work to receive the award. Book club link: https://luma.com/yayseynm On July 24th, we’ll be reading Patrick McGee’s bestselling book Apple in China together online. The book offers a detailed account of how Apple built one of the most complex and efficient manufacturing and supply chain systems in modern history in China. It also tells the story of how China became a crucial pillar of the world’s most valuable company. Author Patrick McGee will join us for the final 30 minutes of the event to answer questions. The Q&A session will be conducted in English. Book club link: https://luma.com/buwyzrkk 【聊了什么The What】 这是一场线下录制内容！ 最近，小杨参加了Same Room纽约播客节，和友台新新人类的主播采薇、残言片语的主播Mercy和喜剧播客唠点扭腰磕的主播Rachel以匮乏时代的流行文化为主题，聊了一期2026流行文化小盘点。 本来有大纲来着，但是四个女的全部失控。录制过程十分快乐，希望你也能听得开心！ This is an in-person recorded episode! Xiao Yang recently attended the Same Room New York Podcast Festival and sat down with hosts from three sister podcasts — Cai Wei from "New New Humans," Mercy from "Fragments of Remaining Words" (残言片语), and Rachel from the comedy podcast "Nagging Points, Twisting Waists" (唠点扭腰磕) — for a conversation about pop culture in a 2026 vibecession. We did have an agenda but that went out of the window - but we had fun, and hope you do too. 【时间轴 The When】 00:00 - 开场：7月及8月线上线下读书会报名指南 01:21 - 播客节现场：四位女性主播的聚首 05:30 - 细聊郑智化轮椅风波：为什么我们难以讨论少数群体的权利 11:29 - TradWife 与利己主义：解析当代女性面对经济下行的心理补偿 18:22 - 文化口红指数：为什么网络上教人“拿结果”的博主大行其道 29:00 - 记者 vs 博主：主流媒体的娱乐化趋势与事实查证的消失 38:45 - 寻找真相的困境：在信息爆炸中感到匮乏的希望 41:25 - 迪拜巧克力走红背后：从视觉与听觉冲击到味觉的割裂 46:09 - 茉莉奶白商战纪实：中国速度与抽象美学在曼哈顿的结合 60:22 - 争议性讨论：关于网红“夏美”与性工作者的可见度困境 67:11 - 拒绝碎片化：如何通过“笨手机”和无聊感重获个人Voice重新注意力对抗无聊 00:00 – Intro: sign-up guide for July and August online/offline book club sessions 01:21 – At the podcast festival: four female hosts come together 05:30 – A close look at the Zheng Zhihua wheelchair controversy: why it's so hard to discuss minority rights 11:29 – Tradwives and self-interest: unpacking the psychological compensation contemporary women seek amid economic downturn 18:22 – The "cultural lipstick index": why influencers teaching people to "get results" are thriving online 29:00 – Journalists vs. influencers: mainstream media's drift toward entertainment and the disappearance of fact-checking 38:45 – The struggle to find truth: feeling a scarcity of hope amid an explosion of information 41:25 – Behind the Dubai chocolate craze: from visual and auditory impact to a disconnect in taste 46:09 – A true account of the Molly Tea (茉莉奶白) price war: Chinese speed and abstract aesthetics colliding in Manhattan 60:22 – A controversial discussion: influencer "Xia Mei" (夏美) and the visibility struggles of sex workers 67:11 – Rejecting fragmentation: reclaiming personal voice and attention through "dumbphones" and embracing boredom 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022