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Bethany, a longtime listener of Codega's Codex of Curiosities, shares the spiritual awakening that followed the loss of her infant son Cruz in 2018, along with a strange entity encounter that she and her husband witnessed independently on the same night. Bethany walks through the messages she believes came from Cruz, including a dream a stranger felt compelled to pass along and a moment where she heard her son's voice break through her grief, before describing the night everything changed: camped out in her car on a dark country road, Bethany entered a dream state and saw an impossibly tall, two-dimensional being with pale skin, oval eyes, and long talon-like fingers wrapped around her car's side mirror. What makes the account remarkable is that her husband Sean, wide awake in the driver's seat, described the exact same being in matching detail, down to the witch-like hands, without any prompting from her. Bethany and Rye dig into what the entity might have been, why she felt curiosity instead of fear, and how a tarot pull of the death card lined up with the night it all happened.

In This Episode
•      Bethany, a longtime listener of the podcast, describes herself as a lifelong skeptic who never believed in the paranormal until her world changed in 2018, when she lost her infant son Cruz to SIDS at five months old. That loss became the starting point for a years-long spiritual awakening she still doesn't fully understand.  
•      Shortly after Cruz's death, a woman Bethany barely knew reached out with an unsolicited dream: an older man rocking a baby, with a clear message that "we're okay." The timing lined up with the first anniversary of Cruz's death, and the description of the older man matched two grandfather figures Bethany and her husband had lost around the same time, though Bethany admits she wasn't ready to process it as anything more than strange at the time.  
•      The real turning point came later, during a difficult period when Bethany was living apart from her husband Sean and working through unprocessed grief. In a moment of raw honesty with a family member, she heard what she describes as her son's voice, speaking as a five to seven year old, asking whether something good could still come from his death. It marked the start of her shift out of a dark period and into a more open relationship with the unexplained.  
•      As she reconciled with Sean and leaned into tools like tarot for processing her emotions, Bethany pulled the death card for the first time, a card she associates with letting go of old patterns rather than literal death. That same night, while trying to put distance between herself and an old friendship, she and Sean ended up camping overnight in their car on a quiet, wooded road.  
•      While asleep against the passenger window, Bethany entered what she describes as a dream state with multiple simultaneous perspectives: her own, one from above the vehicle, and one from her husband's point of view in the driver's seat. In it, she saw an impossibly tall, two-dimensional being, dressed entirely in black, with pale skin, oversized oval eyes, and long, talon-like fingers wrapped completely around the car's side mirror and resting near her window.  
•      Bethany woke to the sound of squealing tires as Sean sped them away from the spot at dawn. Without telling him what she had seen, she began asking careful questions about what had scared him, and his answer matched her own account almost exactly, down to the witch-like, elongated fingers and the unnaturally pale skin, even though neither of them had described it to the other first.   •      Sean later admitted that when he saw the being staring in at Bethany through the window, he tried to back the car into it. Instead of being struck, the figure appeared to mist out of the way and stayed visible in his rearview mirror until it evaporated as they crested a hill at sunrise.  
•      Unlike similar accounts Bethany has heard, including one involving a sleep paralysis style encounter with long spindly arms, she never felt fear during the sighting, only intense curiosity, as if the being were simply observing her. She theorizes it could be something ancient, tied to people going through major spiritual shifts or awakenings, though she's quick to admit she doesn't have a firm answer.  
•      Bethany closes the conversation teasing a separate, unsettling discovery involving a heavy, decomposing object she and Sean uncovered that she plans to detail more fully in a future episode.  
Best Line of the Night "I believe more in the things I can't see than I do in the things that we do see." Bethany, on how losing her son reshaped what she's willing to believe.

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Near death experiencer and whistleblower Greg, the creator behind the Uprising 144K channel and a former medical field worker of more than 20 years, picks up his story at the moment he slips back into his body on a canyon rock while still being in heaven, two places at once with two minds. Greg describes opening what he calls the eyes of light, seeing God in everything alive, and realizing heaven is right here. He then asks God the question he carried since his childhood prayers, "Where were you?", and shares the answer he says he got. Greg tells what happened when his highly religious brother came over to check on him and heard God's voice coming from inside him, why he believes people in scripture trembled before God, and how his experience led to his health research. The conversation covers what Greg says is in our drinking water, why he uses carbon distillation, molecular hydrogen, Lourdes, Masaru Emoto's water memory work, the medications and microplastics he says end up in the water supply, and where to find his protocols and videos. 

In This Episode
•      After lying in God for an hour or more, Greg started to open his eyes and slipped back into his body on the rock while still being in heaven. He says it felt like having two minds. The one on Earth was completely still, and he opened what he calls the eyes of light. He saw God as the light in everything alive, the canyon, the rocks, the trees, the river, and realized heaven is right here. He came away convinced the human body is a temple that should be respected, and that his lifelong sadness came from feeling disconnected from God, not from a lack of money, cars or success.  
•      Greg got to ask the question he'd carried since he was a kid who prayed constantly and never got help: "Where were you?" He admits he was angry and thought God had better have a good answer. God showed him a vision of watching him pray as a child and told him, "I couldn't interfere, for if I had, you would have never found me." Greg says the pain of not having God created the burning desire and gravity that pulled him back, and compares it to the prodigal son. He never questioned God again.  
•      Greg's brother, who is highly religious, had been watching from far away and came over because Greg had been lying still for so long. Greg could hear God's voice and his brother couldn't. As his brother stood to leave, Greg's hand grabbed his wrist with what felt like infinite strength, the sound got louder, and his brother's vision went completely dark in full daylight. His brother tried to run and was told there was no place to run. Greg told him not to be afraid, and when he spoke, his brother's sight came back. Greg tilted his head back, the sound came out of him, and his brother realized it was coming from inside him. Greg believes this is why people in scripture trembled before God: the light reveals everything in your soul in one second.  
•      Greg explains that he named his channel Uprising 144K after the 144,000 beings of light in the Bible, and that he has spent over a decade sharing what he learned, largely about health. After more than 20 years in the medical field, he says his own heart condition was confirmed healed by his cardiologist without surgery. He shares a story of a man with severe gout who followed his protocol and, Greg says, was symptom free after four months, and a surgeon who measured his own results. Greg stresses he isn't making medical claims and that he only shares what he personally uses. Everything starts, he says, with clean water.  
•      Greg shows a third-party lab report where forever chemicals (PFAS) read zero after carbon distillation, and says he learned the method by watching how creation cleans water: the sun lifts it, it leaves impurities behind, and it comes back as rain or snow. He says some water filter companies have faced lawsuits and some filters can make water worse, and mentions mypurewater.com with the code uprising144k. He then moves to molecular hydrogen, saying the Japanese found it in the waters of Lourdes, that more than 2,000 studies exist, and that he calls it the source of life. He covers Masaru Emoto's water memory work, a Japanese father who built a hydrogen device for his seriously ill daughter with help from companies like Toyota and Yamaha, and why oxygen oxidizes while hydrogen acts as a tiny antioxidant that can reach the mitochondria. That device is sold through holyhydrogen.com.  
•      Greg says his channel has been shadowbanned and throttled, so he asks listeners to follow him on Rumble, Instagram and X as backups, and he shares his email, uprising144k@gmail.com, and points people to myhydrogenprotocol.com, where his protocols are a one-time fee. He and Rye plan another conversation. Before wrapping, Greg says children are hurt most by water contaminants, and that medications people take end up in the water supply, naming birth control, antibiotics, painkillers and antidepressants, plus microplastics. Rye closes by saying alternative medicine may be what we need, Western medicine is great for broken bones and surgery, and everyone should stay vigilant about what they're fed and given as medicine.  

Best Line of the Night "I couldn't interfere. For if I had, you would have never found me." Greg, relaying what he says God told him about his childhood prayers.

Greg can be found: Website (protocols): myhydrogenprotocol.com
Hydrogen device: holyhydrogen.com
Water distillers: mypurewater.com (discount code: uprising144k)
YouTube: Uprising 144K
Rumble: Uprising 144K
Instagram: Uprising 144K
X: Uprising 144K
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Greg, the creator behind the Uprising 144K channel and a former medical field worker of more than 20 years, shares his near-death experience (NDE) in full detail. It starts on a giant rock beside a loud canyon river, where his heartbeat kept skipping and stopping, and it leads through a dark corridor, a being of light he now believes was the Holy Spirit, a trip through stars he calls doors, a council that told him they'd been waiting for him, and a meeting with God that he describes as a cosmic river. Greg explains how he ended up in two places at once, lying on the rock and standing in heaven, and what happened when his highly religious brother came over to check on him and heard God's voice. From there the conversation moves to the research Greg says followed: what he says is in our drinking water, why he uses carbon distillation, the molecular hydrogen work that earned him the name hydrogen man, and the Essene Gospel of Peace, a book he says describes his experience almost exactly. Greg also finally gets an answer to a question he carried since his childhood prayers, "Where were you?", and shares where to find his protocols and videos.

In This Episode
•     Rye opens by asking Greg to walk through his near-death experience. Greg explains it didn't start with the NDE itself. At 18 he had an overdose that was meant to end his life, and the ER doctor called it an absolute miracle that he survived. It left him with severe heart damage, and a cardiologist later told him his heart was weakened and he likely didn't have a ton of time. In the ER that night, Greg says he saw beings of light standing beside him, speaking in one voice and repeating "you'll never do it again." He didn't believe them then, and at almost 50 he says they turned out to be right.  
•     Years later, on a trip to a canyon with a few people, Greg wandered off alone and ended up lying on a giant rock beside a river so loud he couldn't have heard anyone yelling at him. He lay there for almost four hours, getting so quiet in his mind that he could hear his own heartbeat. Because of his heart condition, it skipped, paused and sometimes flatlined, and each time it stopped, Greg says he felt himself drifting somewhere deeper. He let it happen.  
•     The dark corridor from his earlier overdose opened again. Greg compares it to walking through the valley of the shadow of death. There was no light ahead, only a pull like drifting down a river, and a presence that wanted him afraid. Greg says it knew everything about him, every fear and which strings to pull. It started with distractions and temptations, then escalated to his worst fears, bugs crawling over his body and into his nose and ears. Greg says the other side runs on emotion, so he stayed calm, let it all happen, and watched his body decompose into the earth before everything went black for ten or twenty seconds.  
•     Then came a burst of white light and a being Greg describes as female, though he says there's no sex on the other side. He now believes it was the Holy Spirit. He felt everything she felt, he says, and everything inside him was exposed, like being naked in his emotions. The first thing he blurted out was "I want to be like you." She answered, "You are me and I am you." Greg argued, calling himself trash and her perfect, but says she didn't need to respond. She held him like a cosmic mother, and he says he felt a healing he'd never known. A Bible scholar friend later pointed out that scripture refers to the Holy Spirit in female terms, which Greg ties to the white dove at Jesus's baptism.  
•     As she led him out into the heavens, Greg felt a tether at his belly button, tied to his body and to every attachment in his life. He says it looked like a spiral, like DNA or a rope, and that love and fear were bound together in it. A choice came over him: go back or go with her. His emotions said go back to the people he loved, but a flash of logic reminded him he'd wanted out for a long time. He says deciding to let go felt like jumping off a cliff, and that he thinks this is the point where people can be tricked through love. Rye connects this to Colossians 3, which he'd read at a men's Bible study the night before.  
•     Once he let go, Greg says the being took him to a star, and the stars turned out to be doorways. They traveled at what he calls borderline violent speed, hopping from star to star while he merged with her at each turn. He ties this to a Psalms verse about the sun as a bridal chamber, which his Bible scholar friend had never noticed before. Years later Greg found the Essene Gospel of Peace, a book said to be translated from ancient writings by a Vatican archives translator, and says it describes stars as vaults that need the spirit to open them, matching what he saw. He admits plenty of people criticize the book and says he's a skeptic himself, but that nothing else he's found described his experience so accurately.  
•     The journey ended at a gathering of beings that felt like a council, and oddly, like a dinner. They spoke in one voice and the first thing they said was "We've been waiting for you." Information about his life came flooding in, including who he was before he was conceived and the promises he made before birth. They showed him the womb, where he felt warmth, no hunger, no pain and a peace he'd forgotten. Greg explains why we don't remember it, because the body and brain aren't developed yet, and shares his own opinion that the spirit enters at the first breath. Peace is now his favorite emotion, and he believes the entity in the dark corridor was trying to rob him of it because fear is how you get controlled.  
•     The council made sounds that blended in the center of their circle and opened what Greg could only call a door. The beings told him it was being opened for him, and he walked through to meet God. Greg describes a being too large for an ocean to compare to, moving like a river and like wind, with the energy of the law is the law, and a voice like the sound of many waters. He believes the beginning was sound more than word. He walked into God like a baptism, leaned back, and says information poured through him, every bit of it an answer. God told him, "There are no questions here, only answers," and Greg lay there for an hour or more.  
•     This is the moment Greg is in two places at once. He started to open his eyes and slipped back into his body on the rock while still being in heaven, which felt like having two minds. The one on Earth was completely still, and he says he opened what he calls the eyes of light. He saw God as the light in everything alive, the canyon, the rocks, the trees, and realized heaven is right here. He came away convinced the human body is a temple that should be respected, and that his lifelong sadness came from feeling disconnected from God, not from a lack of money, cars or success.  
•     Greg got to ask the question he'd carried since he was a kid who prayed constantly and never got help: "Where were you?" He admits he was angry and thought God had better have a good answer. God showed him a vision of watching him pray as a child and told him, "I couldn't interfere, for if I had, you would have never found me." Greg says the pain of not having God created the burning desire and gravity that pulled him back, and compares it to the prodigal son. He never questioned God again.  
•     Greg's brother, who is highly religious, had been watching from far away and came over because Greg had been lying still for so long. Greg could hear God's voice and his brother couldn't. As his brother stood to leave, Greg's hand grabbed his wrist with what felt like infinite strength, the sound got louder, and his brother's vision went completely dark in full daylight. His brother tried to run and was told there was no place to run. Greg told him not to be afraid, and when he spoke, his brother's sight came back. Greg tilted his head back, the sound came out of him, and his brother realized it was coming from inside him. 
•  Greg explains that he named his channel Uprising 144K after the 144,000 beings of light in the Bible, and that he has spent over a decade sharing what he learned, largely about health. After more than 20 years in the medical field, he says his own heart condition was confirmed healed by his cardiologist without surgery. Greg stresses he isn't making medical claims and that he only shares what he personally uses. Everything starts, he says, with clean water.  
•     Greg shows a third-party lab report where forever chemicals (PFAS) read zero after carbon distillation, and says he learned the method by watching how creation cleans water: the sun lifts it, it leaves impurities behind, and it comes back as rain or snow. He says some water filter companies have faced lawsuits and some filters can make water worse, and mentions mypurewater.com with the code uprising144k. He then moves to molecular hydrogen, saying the Japanese found it in the waters of Lourdes, that more than 2,000 studies exist, and that he calls it the source of life. He covers Masaru Emoto's water memory work, a Japanese father who built a hydrogen device for his seriously ill daughter with help from companies like Toyota and Yamaha, and why oxygen oxidizes while hydrogen acts as a tiny antioxidant that can reach the mitochondria. 

Best Line of the Night
"I couldn't interfere. For if I had, you would have never found me."
Greg, relaying what he says God told him about his childhood prayers.
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Website (protocols): myhydrogenprotocol.com
YouTube: Uprising 144K 

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Drewski, a former law enforcement officer and five-year SWAT veteran who now hosts the Cryptid Warfare podcast, breaks down his years running a cryptid research and investigation team through the mountains of Tennessee and Alabama, hunting Bigfoot, Dogman, and whatever else is actually out there. Drewski traces his path from a childhood spent in the library reading about Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster to a 2011 SWAT manhunt in the Colorado Rockies, where his team heard something pacing them on two legs that even his captain ordered scrubbed from the official report. The conversation moves through a 2015 sponsored Bigfoot expedition in Mammoth Cave where infrasound nearly dropped him to the ground and thermal cameras caught an eight-foot creature running up a mountainside, a tense night in eastern Tennessee where his team fired warning shots at a tree as unseen creatures circled their camp, and a cave investigation tied to a local legend of three rogue mountain witches. Drewski also details a deafening, unexplained roar that hovered directly over his camp in Alabama's Bankhead National Forest for five full minutes, and lays out his theory that Bigfoot, Dogman, and similar cryptids fall into three categories: physical and government-made, spiritual, or interdimensional. He closes with hard-earned safety advice for anyone getting into cryptid research themselves.

In This Episode
•      Drewski, a former law enforcement officer who spent seven years on the job and five of those on SWAT, now hosts the Cryptid Warfare podcast and runs a cryptid research and investigation team. His interest started in the library as a kid reading about Bigfoot, Mothman, and the Loch Ness Monster, long before a career in law enforcement put him back in the field.  
•      The turning point came around 2011, when Drewski's SWAT team was sent into the Colorado Rockies on a manhunt for an escaped convict. Moving up the mountain in formation, Drewski and another teammate both reported hearing something pacing them on two legs on opposite sides of the group, a sound distinct from any four legged animal. When the team stopped moving, whatever it was stopped too, taking two audible extra steps before going silent, and their captain later ordered the detail scrubbed from the official incident report entirely.  
•      A friend from the area later told Drewski what locals called it: a wood booger, regional slang for a Sasquatch type creature. The encounter and the word sent Drewski back into research, and by 2016 he and a friend had launched Cryptid Warfare as a podcast, built around their shared interest in cryptids and the biblical narrative around fallen angels. After a hiatus for scheduling and family reasons, Drewski relaunched it around 2019 and has run it since, describing it now as a judgment free space for people to share their experiences.  
•      In 2015, Drewski joined a sponsored Bigfoot expedition in Mammoth Cave National Park in Tennessee as security for a group of researchers and journalists. Driving back to camp around 3 a.m., the group found an abandoned vehicle with its doors open and belongings scattered on the ground. While checking the vehicle, Drewski felt a deep, guttural growl as physical pressure, like standing against a concert subwoofer, and nearly passed out. Infrared footage caught a roughly eight foot, five and a half foot wide creature sprinting up the mountainside, and park rangers shut the area down the next morning as a crime scene, citing people who had gone missing nearby.  
•      Years later, Drewski's team responded to a woman in Mountain City, Tennessee who reported homeless people going missing near her property, along with mutilated animals, including a half-eaten goat and a calf thrown into a tree. After months of preparation, three members of the team camped near her land with perimeter trip alarms set around the site. Overnight, the alarms went off on all sides in sequence, pebbles were thrown at the campers, and one teammate became physically ill after hearing a close growl, a reaction Drewski attributes to infrasound.  
•      As the activity intensified, Drewski fired several warning shots into a tree to scare off whatever was circling the camp, aiming at a solid backstop rather than into the open woods. The next morning, the team followed broken branches and a wide, trampled path up the mountain to the Appalachian Trail before it disappeared. They told local law enforcement and the homeowner that the area showed strong signs of cryptid activity, and recommended she treat her property with anointing oil and cayenne pepper to help deter it.  
•      Separately, Drewski's team investigated a property near a cave in Tennessee after a resident left a tobacco offering at its entrance and, according to Drewski, inadvertently opened something up. The homeowners reported their cabin being shaken and clawed, cameras being physically turned, and chickens being killed, while a neighbor who saw repeated six to seven foot shadow figures moved out entirely. Local research tied the area to a legend of three rogue mountain witches sealed inside the cave centuries earlier. Exploring the cave themselves, Drewski's team found bones, strange carvings, and a shadow figure that ducked around a corner, confirmed by multiple team members, before they chose to back out rather than corner whatever it was.  
•      In Alabama's Bankhead National Forest, widely known for Dogman reports, Drewski's team camped overnight with cryptid researcher Jessica Jones after hearing secondhand accounts of growls coming from very different heights, including from up in a tree. On a later trip to the same area, Drewski and a teammate were the only two awake around 2:45 a.m. when an intensely loud, jet engine like roar seemed to hover directly overhead for about five minutes before cutting off instantly, a sound the rest of the sleeping team never heard. The next day the group found juvenile sized footprints, seven to eight inches long, near their camp.  
•      Drewski breaks down what he believes these creatures actually are, sorting his years of field experience into three overlapping categories: physical and government engineered, spiritual, or interdimensional. He ties the physical theory to secret research programs and Genesis six, the interdimensional theory to hollow earth and portal concepts, and the spiritual theory to accounts from former Satanists who describe using entities like Dogman as protectors or weapons. He also connects the phenomenon to biblical end times prophecy, specifically Luke 21:11 and Revelation 6:8.  
•      Drewski closes with practical advice for anyone getting into cryptid research themselves: never go out with fewer than five people, train extensively with your gear before you need it, tell someone exactly where you are going and when you will be back, and do as much research as possible before setting foot in the field.  

Best Line of the Night "They're spiritual, they're government-made, or they're interdimensional." Drewski, on the three categories he puts every cryptid encounter into.

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Codex Origins re-release: UFO researcher, journalist, and author Cheryl Costa goes through 20 years of UFO sighting data, 167,632 reports from 2001 to 2020, broken down by state, county, and ZIP code. Cheryl explains which ZIP code leads the country (85001 in downtown Phoenix), why Los Angeles County ranks number one overall, why most UFO sightings are reported between 6 and 11 pm, and why she believes only about 1 in 257 people actually report what they see. She also lays out the five drivers behind where sightings happen, from population to broadband access, plus the influencers she ties to bodies of water, geological faults, and toxic waste sites. Cheryl is the author of the UFO Sightings Desk Reference books with co-author Linda Miller Costa, a former UFO columnist for the Syracuse New Times, and spent 32 years at Lockheed Martin. In this conversation she also covers a 17-page report she sent to a congressman’s office, a CIA scientific division paper from around 1950 that already spotted the summer pattern, and her own theory on how visitors might actually get here. This is a Codex Origins episode, an early conversation from the Codega’s Codex of Curiosities vault, back with remastered audio. New Codex Origins episodes land every Sunday.

In This Episode
•           Cheryl says she has talked to about 150 major newspapers in the country and none would publish her sighting numbers, because they told her it would scare everybody. She talks about her first book, the UFO Sightings Desk Reference: United States of America 2001-2015, and the New York Times story that ran on April 24 and 25, 2017. She also tells how she flunked geometry in high school, then taught herself algebra and trig in her late 20s after making a mistake balancing her checkbook, and ended up publishing a book of statistics.
•           Cheryl walks through a CIA scientific division paper from around 1950 that plotted about 130 sightings by month and wrote “summer madness” in the margins. Her own data, with far more points, shows the same peak in the northern states in June, July, and August, a flat line in the Deep South with a dip in the summer heat, and February as the worst month in the country. She also covers April 16, 2008, when Indiana logged 25 sightings in one day against its usual three or four a week, the Kokomo lights clusters, and a Texas spike across about 12 communities that never got press.
•           The pink book covers 2001 to 2020, weighs two and a half pounds, and ranks all 50 states down to the county level. Cheryl explains why it is bright fuchsia (so you can spot it from an aircraft, and because two women published it), who asked her to testify in Washington in 2019, and the congressional hearings push tied to a spending bill. She says she sent a 17-page technical report to a congressman’s office and has heard nothing but silence since, and that she may end up testifying before Congress. The book is dedicated to Coral Lorenzen, whose group APRO came before MUFON.
•           Downtown Phoenix, ZIP code 85001, is the number one ZIP code in the country for UFO reports in the 20-year period, with 1,500 more sightings than the next closest ZIP code. Maricopa County ranks second among counties, and Los Angeles County ranks first, even though downtown Los Angeles itself only ranks around number 25. Cheryl also explains why TV producers keep asking her for a hot spot where they can park camera crews on a rooftop and wait, and why it is not that easy.
•           Cheryl names the drivers behind sighting numbers in every state: population, temperate weather, leisure time, hours of darkness, and an observer’s access to broadband. About 70% of sightings happen between 6 and 11 pm, and about 60% of those fall between 8:30 and 10:30 at night. Of roughly 3,530 counties, 105 reported no UFOs at all in the 20 years, and she says mostly rural farming states lack the broadband that makes reporting easy. North and South Dakota rank 49th and 50th.
•           Then come the influencers, which only some places have. Cheryl says states touching the Great Lakes logged thousands of sightings, and that Florida’s 1,200 miles of coastline against Texas at about 450 explains a lot. Her colleague Tom Conwell pinned sightings on a giant wall map and found they seem to cluster around Superfund toxic waste sites. She also points to geological faults, calderas, and volcanoes, South Carolina earthquakes lining up with the state’s top sighting counties, military sites with nuclear weapons technology, the Navy fleet, high media coverage that sparks more reports, and the generational effect, where grandparents’ stories of the Battle of Los Angeles or the Phoenix Lights send families outside to look up.
•           Cheryl explains how she and Linda built all 50 state editions, each titled UFOs in (State) and Where to Find Them. They published them in about six weeks between Halloween and the winter solstice, starting with Ohio, and color coded each cover by census region: powder blue for the Northeast, orange for the lower South, green for the Midwest, and purple for the West. She credits a college course in methods engineering for helping her organize the work.
•           Cheryl runs the big numbers: 167,632 reports from 2001 to 2020 works out to about 8,400 a year, 700 a month, 161 a week, and 23 a day. She then asks what happens if you throw most of them away. If only 30% are real, that is about 210 a month. If 1% are real, it is still around seven a month. Her own swag is about 5%. She also explains how she and Linda estimated that only about 1 in 257 people report what they see, which lands near 43 million, and how that lines up with the Gallup figure of 16.74% of adult Americans saying they have seen a UFO.
•           Cheryl gives her own take on how visitors could get here, pointing to recent work coming out of the CERN laboratories that she says could mean a 20 minute trip into the fifth dimensional bulk covering a 50,000 year journey. She talks about interdimensional travel, whether the UFO flurry that began after the 1945 nuclear tests came from outer space or inner space, and why she thinks the hidden material sits under atomic energy rules that never expire.
•           Cheryl shares her own history with the subject: seeing her first UFO at about age 12 in 1965 with her parents in upstate New York, a sighting on Christmas Eve 1971 at Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam, and her service in the military. She tells how a government review of her security clearance played out after she publicly came out as transgender, and how she answered it. She says she has been an experiencer since around age five or six, that things still move around her home, and that she no longer sees it as the negative experience she once did. She also covers her seven years writing the New York Skies column, which ran 238 articles, and her move to the Roswell Daily Record in 2023.

Best Line of the Night
“Don’t you think it’s press worthy that we’ve got 210 starships a month, every month for the last 240 months, coming to the United States?”
(Cheryl Costa, on what happens if just 30% of the reported sightings are real)

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