Steven ter Horst: hoe Houthoff met legal AI een leiderschapspositie innam
Onze host Pim Betist bespreekt met Steven ter Horst van Houthoff hoe het topkantoor vroeg inzette op generatieve AI en dit succesvol wist te verankeren in een first mover advantage. Steven deelt lessen over adoptie, harde cijfers en waarom een multi-tool stack onmisbaar is.We behandelen:Hoe Houthoff een early mover werd met generatieve AIHoe een gedisciplineerde uitrol eruitziet (training, “use it or lose it,” meetbare adoptie)Waarom je op dit moment meerdere tools nodig hebt om legal AI te laten werkenDe moeilijke onderdelen: uitgeverscontent, kennisintegraties, DMS-beperkingenHouthoff 2030: het modelleren van de impact van AI op vaardigheden, pricing en het opleidingsmodelPricing: waar fixed fees logisch zijn en waar het urenmodel nog steeds de voorkeur heeft Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Steven ter Horst on Houthoff’s journey to Legal AI leadership
Our host Pim Betist is joined by Steven ter Horst of Houthoff to unpack how a top-tier firm moved early on generative AI and made it stick. Steven shares adoption lessons, hard numbers, and why a multi-tool stack is essential. We cover:How Houthoff became an early mover with generative AIWhat a disciplined rollout looks like (training, “use it or lose it,” measurable adoption)Why you currently need multiple tools to make legal AI workThe hard parts: publisher content, knowledge integrations, DMS constraintsHouthoff 2030: modeling AI’s impact on skills, pricing, and the training ladderPricing: where fixed fees make sense and where billable hours still win Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Suzanne van der Klip on why trust and relations drive legal innovation
In this episode our host Pim Betist is joined by Suzanne van der Klip, a lawyer who built her career in corporate practice before stepping into the world of legal innovation. At A&O Shearman she helped pioneer the firm’s first innovation team, explored the potential of legal tech from its early days, and was closely involved in developing tools like Contract Matrix that brought AI straight into the heart of contract negotiation.She brings both the perspective of someone who has lived the realities of law firms and the vision of someone shaping how AI can make legal work faster, more efficient, and more meaningful.Suzanne and Pim talk about what it takes to get lawyers to actually adopt technology, the opportunities and risks AI brings to firms and in-house teams, and how platforms and point solutions may coexist in the years to come. Suzanne also shares her thoughts on the changing leverage model in big law, the rise of boutique firms, and why trust and relationships remain at the core of innovation.So buckle up and enjoy Beyond Billable, Driving Conversations with Suzanne van der Klip. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hans Albers on how AI is reshaping in-house and law firms alike
In this episode of Beyond Billable: Driving Conversations, I sit down with Hans Albers, Director of Legal Management Consulting at Deloitte in the Netherlands. With senior roles at Juniper Networks and Cisco behind him, Hans has seen the in-house counsel role from every angle — balancing risk with growth, living with the consequences of legal advice, and navigating the unrelenting pressures of regulation and workload.Our conversation explores the crossroads where today’s legal departments find themselves: flooded with regulation, stretched by demand, and now confronted with AI tools that can transform not just efficiency, but the very way legal delivers value. Hans argues that adoption alone is not enough — true transformation requires rethinking processes, culture, and the role of the lawyer itself.Far from being the “easier” alternative to private practice, the in-house counsel role is more demanding and complex than ever before. Yet, as Hans makes clear, it is also one of the most rewarding. The lawyers who thrive will be those who broaden their skill set into technology, process, and operations, and position themselves closer to the business.We cover the following topics:Introduction: Driving Conversations in a NIOThe In-House counsel roleChallenges for legal departmentsFrom efficiency to strategyAdoption vs. transformationLaw Firms at riskFuture skills for lawyersWho should we interview next? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Dick van Lankeren Matthes: Stop selling hours, start selling outcomes
In this episode, Pim Betist sits down with Dick van Lankeren Matthes, founder of Shift Upgrade. With 18 years of experience as a finance lawyer, including as Head of the Transaction Innovation team at Loyens & Loeff, Dick knows the legal world inside out and he’s on a mission to change it.We discuss why he left big law to help firms and legal departments do things differently. His focus: making sure highly trained lawyers spend less time on low-value work and more time on what truly matters.We explore the core elements of meaningful change: people, process, and technology, but also the biggest obstacle to real innovation in the legal sector: the billable hour. Dick explains why this outdated model kills the incentive to improve and makes a compelling case for fixed or project-based fees.We cover:- Why the billable hour kills innovation - How to align people, process & tech for real change - How fixed fees drive better outcomes—for clients and firms- Why firms must rethink the traditional leverage model- Why pricing strategy is the gateway to real transformationIt’s a conversation packed with practical insights on pricing strategy and change management, delivered with Dick’s signature pragmatism.Whether you're in a law firm or a legal department, expect plenty of food for thought on how to deliver better legal services at lower cost and with higher quality. I hope you enjoy this candid and thought-provoking conversation with Dick van Lankeren Matthes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
AI is reshaping professional services. Beyond Billable dives into how these shifts impact lawyers, consultants, and accountants—featuring conversations with industry leaders and innovators on staying ahead of the curve.Host: Pim Betist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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