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- In Revelation 7, John hears a roll call: 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. Then he turns to look and sees a crowd from every nation, too big to count. What you make of that moment says a lot about where you think Israel fits in the end times. Joshua Lewis sits down with Michael Rowntree to work through Scripture to better understand the role of Israel in the end times.
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We recorded this episode knowing the subject is tense. Antisemitism is showing up in places we never used to see it, including among professing Christians, while at the same time many believers have also been taught that loving Jesus means signing off on whatever the modern state of Israel does. So before we get to prophecy, Michael separates three things that get lumped together under one word: ethnic Israel, the nation of Israel, and God’s covenant people in Christ. He also explains his thoughts on “replacement theology” and where he stands on supersessionism.
The rest of the hour is Bible. Who are the people of God, and does Romans 9-11 promise a future for ethnic Israel? Did 1948 start a prophetic time clock? Who are the 144,000 in Revelation 7, what is the temple in Revelation 11, and who is the woman clothed with the sun in Revelation 12? Does a third temple have to be rebuilt in Jerusalem before the man of lawlessness appears (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)? And what do we do with Daniel’s seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24-27)? Michael comes at this as an amillennialist, Josh leans a different direction on the temple, and neither of us expects to make either camp happy.
In the end, we hope our discussion drives you back to the Scriptures for further exploration.
0:00 – Introduction
5:05 – Replacement Theology Defined
12:00 – One People of God
19:20 – 1948 Prophetic Time Clock
24:37 – Abraham's Land Promises Expanded
28:37 – Revelation 5: Lion and Lamb
31:53 – Revelation 7: The 144,000
34:08 – Revelation 11 Measured Temple
37:30 – Rebuilt Temple and Antichrist
44:27 – Revelation 12 Woman Explained
59:24 – Daniel's Seventy Weeks
1:04:43 – Dispensationalism's Parenthesis Problem
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📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/
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Rowntree's Church - Joshua Lewis, Michael Rowntree, and Michael Miller are just back from the Remnant Conference, "Prophecy & Hearing God's Voice," and they brought the Q&A panel questions home with them. Real questions from real believers curious about the gift of prophecy and want it handled biblically.
So we're taking them one at a time, Word and Spirit together. If you've been carrying a question about prophecy or hearing God's voice, there's a good chance someone at the conference asked it for you.
0:00 – Introduction
0:34 – Conference Highlights
6:07 – Delivering Directional Prophecy
12:00 – Spiritual Covering Needed?
19:08 – Testing Predictive Prophecy
26:28 – Prophecy in Church Services
33:18 – Can All Believers Prophesy?
39:22 – Word of Knowledge Explained
45:02 – Private Prayer Tongues
47:27 – Baptism in the Spirit
52:36 – Tongues on Command?
59:51 – Closing Thoughts
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Rowntree's Church - "I don't believe in the rapture" has become a common line among Christians tired of end times hype. Michael Rowntree argues that every believer holds to a rapture of some kind. The real debate is when.
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We're back in our series on the book of Revelation, and this time Josh and Michael discuss the timing of the rapture, examining pre-tribulation, pre-wrath, and post-tribulation views. They look at Revelation 3:10, Revelation 4, the 144,000 in Revelation 7, and Paul's warning in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the rebellion, the man of lawlessness, and the restrainer.
They also discuss what the early church expected. Where does John Nelson Darby fit, and what should we make of Irenaeus and Pseudo-Ephraem?
Then Josh asks the question many are too embarrassed to raise: if Jesus is coming down, why are we going up?
Join us for a biblically-grounded discussion about the Rapture.
BOOK:
📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/
0:00 – Introduction
0:57 – Three Rapture Views
4:54 – Wrath and God's People
14:23 – Revelation 3:10 Explained
16:33 – Revelation 4 Rapture Argument
22:21 – Pre-Wrath and Revelation 7
29:04 – The 144,000 Explained
33:53 – The Restrainer: 2 Thessalonians
42:25 – Apostasia: Rebellion or Departure
44:14 – Church Fathers and Darby
53:07 – Why Caught Up?
57:46 – Revelation 19 Military Imagery
59:29 – The World Made Right
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Rowntree's Church - Most of us have asked God for more power. Pastor Jon Thompson wants to know when you last asked God what you DON'T get.
Jon has spent nearly three decades on staff at Sanctus Church in Toronto. Along the way he led a functionally cessationist congregation into spiritual gifts, spiritual disciplines, and a three-year season of renewal. So when he says "God's 'no' is your best friend," it isn't a slogan. It comes from a close reading of Romans 12:3 and the "measure" God assigns to every gift.
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A lot of believers were told that if they prayed harder, fasted longer, and lived holier, more anointing would follow. And when it didn't, some burned out, while others quietly stopped asking God for anything at all. Joshua Lewis sits down with Jon, author of Convergence, to examine whether that promise was biblical in the first place.
Josh and Jon discuss:
- Why Jon reads Romans 12:3 as a guardrail for leaders, not a ceiling to break through
- Whether praying, fasting, and holiness unlock "more" anointing
- What 1 Corinthians 14:1 and 2 Timothy 1:6 mean for pursuing spiritual gifts
- The regulative vs. normative principle
- Where godly ambition comes from, and where it doesn't
- Whether spiritual gifts are residential or occasional
- Common, office, gift, and assignment authority in deliverance ministry
They don't agree on everything. Join us for a healthy discussion among Christian brothers about how to biblically operate in spiritual gifts.
0:00 – Introduction
3:07 – Convergence Book Origins
6:20 – Regulative vs Normative Principle
11:52 – Courts of Heaven Gnosticism
16:02 – Romans 12 Anointing Limits
32:12 – Godly Ambition & Sovereignty
49:01 – Guaranteed Places of Encounter
59:41 – Revival and House Rules
1:03:09 – Love, Word, Power Gifts
1:08:29 – Residential vs Occasional Gifts
1:15:13 – Office & Authority in Deliverance
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- Jon Thompson Books & Resources: https://jonthompsonresources.com/
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Rowntree's Church - A generation raised on Left Behind was told to watch for a world leader who survives a fatal head wound and rises from the dead. Revelation 13 really does describe a death and a resurrection. But whose death? And when?
ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Joshua Lewis and Michael Rowntree pick up part two of our 'Who is the Antichrist?' conversation and work through the beast, the wound, and what John wants the church to expect.
We Explore:
- Where the "Antichrist rises from the dead" idea comes from in Revelation 13:3, 12, and 14
- Whether the wound points to a person, an empire, or something bigger
- Why Revelation 12 and 13 may need to be read together
- Nero, the Nero myth, and the partial preterist reading of Revelation 17
- The "eighth head" and whether a final persecuting ruler is still coming
- Why Revelation 11:15 gives believers a reason for hope, not fear
BOOK:
📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7761560
- Before Jerusalem Fell by Kenneth Gentry: https://a.co/d/08slVT87
- Revelation (The Expositor's Bible Commentary) by Alan F. Johnson: https://a.co/d/07pJ7hP2
0:00 – Introduction
0:41 – Antichrist Part One Recap
2:40 – Beast's Mortal Wound
6:47 – Literal or Figurative Resurrection
7:40 – Joel Richardson's Islamic Antichrist
10:27 – Revelation 12 and 13
19:10 – Daniel 7 Beastly DNA
24:11 – Nero as Antichrist
28:17 – Revelation 17 Beast's Return
32:01 – Partial Preterism and Vespasian
37:32 – Wound, Plague, and Sword
41:37 – The Beast's Destruction
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