Extraordinary Creatives

What does it take to lead an institution in a way that people don’t just visit—but feel they belong to?

Today, I’m in conversation with the extraordinary Joe Hill—Director and Chief Executive of Yorkshire Sculpture Park, and formerly the force behind Towner Eastbourne’s transformation into one of the UK’s most dynamic cultural spaces. From winning Art Fund Museum of the Year to hosting the Turner Prize, Joe has built a reputation for shaping institutions that don’t just show art, but root it deeply in place, people, and possibility.

But this conversation goes far beyond titles and accolades.

We talk about what it really means to create cultural spaces that people care about—so much so that they protect them, claim them, and see themselves inside them. Joe shares stories of artists whose simplest ideas became the most powerful, why overcomplicating can kill a commission, and how trust—real trust in artists—is still one of the most radical acts an institution can make.

We also get into leadership. The kind that isn’t about control, but about creating the conditions for others to think, take risks, and occasionally fail. Because without that space, nothing new can actually happen.

This is a conversation about stewardship, risk, generosity—and what it means to build an art world that people don’t feel excluded from, but part of. 

KEY TAKEAWAYS

When an institution truly belongs to its place, it stops feeling like a white monolith you “visit” and becomes a living landmark people claim, protect and point to as their own.

The most powerful work often starts from disarming simplicity and deep trust: a crayon sketch on a façade, an artist given space to think, a curator whose first job is to nurture the project out of the person and to be generous to both artist and audience.

For the sector to stay alive, we need time and permission to think, to experiment sometimes get it wrong. Without that protected space for risk, we don’t just lose ambitious projects - we lose the possibility of anything genuinely new.

BEST MOMENTS

“If you get an artwork really right, and people feel ownership of it… nobody’s touched it… they protect it.”

“We have to create some breathing room to fail, because then we can innovate, we can test things, and not everything’s at stake.”

“The deeper invitation here - stop overcomplicating what needs to be clear.”

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://www.instagram.com/joe_hill_joe/

https://ysp.org.uk

HOST BIO

With over 35 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She has sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals.

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Unlock Your Artworld Network Self Study Course

Our self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive in the art world today.

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Whether you plan on doing your own press, or working with a publicist, you need to understand how press actually works. Because if you don't, you can't brief a PR person well, you can't tell whether the one you're paying is any good, and you certainly can't do it yourself.

After 35 years of generating press for individual artists, commercial galleries, biennials, festivals, and an institution running 2.5 million visitors a year through its doors, I'm sharing what I've learned about getting work covered, and what most artists get wrong before they've written the first line.

Before we get into it — if you're not already following the podcast, hit follow now so this lands in your feed each week. There's a lot in this one and you'll want to listen back.

We recently brought two specialists into the Coaching Membership for separate Expert in Residence sessions on this exact subject. 

Laura Davis with 25 years as a journalist, formerly arts editor at the Liverpool Daily Post and Liverpool Echo, now writing freelance and running Raised Voices - her audience-development practice. 

David Field — Cultural Communications Strategist and Business Development Consultant, with nearly 20 years in cultural sector communications across in-house and agency, now running a boutique consultancy working with art businesses, art fairs, publishers and galleries across Europe, the Gulf and Korea.

They gave members the publicist's strategic view in two separate sessions. Two complementary angles on the same problem - both available in the Coaching Membership on replay at  https://cerihand.com/membership/

KEY TAKEAWAYS


Most artists are sending beautifully crafted, completely useless press releases - a wall of text disguised as news - and then wondering why nothing lands. Until you can answer “why should this journalist care about this now, for their readers?” you’re not actually pitching, you’re just announcing.


Often, the pressure point isn’t the wording, it’s the structure: one sharp sentence of what’s genuinely new, one image that tells that story at a glance suddenly makes your work look like something an editor can say yes to.

BEST MOMENTS

“A press release is not a marketing leaflet for your work. It's a piece of writing aimed at one specific reader, a journalist on a deadline deciding very quickly whether your story is one they can sell to their editor.”

“If you can't say what's new in one sentence, you don't have news yet. You have an announcement.”

“Press is not the goal. Press is a by-product. The goal is to build the kind of practice, the kind of story and the kind of relationships that make press almost inevitable.”

PODCAST HOST BIO

With over 35 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She has sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals.

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Ceri Hand Coaching Membership: Group coaching, live art surgeries, exclusive masterclasses, portfolio reviews, weekly challenges. Access our library of content and resource hub anytime and enjoy special discounts within a vibrant community of peers and professionals. https://cerihand.com/membership/

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Unlock Your Artworld Network Self Study Course

Our self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive.

https://cerihand.com/courses/unlock_your_artworld_network/

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To schedule a personalised 1-2-1 coaching session with Ceri or explore our group coaching options, simply email us at [email protected]

This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/

My guest today is the artist Charmaine Watkiss, whose extraordinary creative journey took her through film, shoemaking, and advertising before she became fully wedded to her art practice. It’s a path that has given her work a deep sense of craft, storytelling and material sensitivity and I know will inspire so many of you.

Her paintings are held in public collections across the UK, and she is currently showing a new commission in the National Portrait Gallery’s exhibition Artists First: Contemporary Perspectives on Portraiture.

We explore how Charmaine actually accesses her ideas. She describes the physical rituals that help her enter a flow state in the studio, how drawing, sculpture, and painting each unlock different ways of thinking, and why the work itself often reveals its direction through the materials.

We also talk about responding to museum collections, including her recent commission From the ones who came before… for Exeter’s Royal Albert Memorial Museum and Art Gallery, where she worked with objects from the museum’s World Cultures galleries to imagine the women who carried botanical knowledge across the African diaspora.

We explore why her own figure often appears in the work, and the quiet but powerful role plants play in her paintings as carriers of memory, healing, and connection.

It’s a fascinating conversation about intuition, research, ancestry, and the slow unfolding of ideas through making.

KEY TAKEAWAYS


Ideas often begin as something half-visible - a feeling or fragment sensed before it can be understood. The work starts by accessing that inner terrain. Then the materials speak back, slowly revealing a direction you couldn’t have predicted.


Working with collections isn’t neutral; artists are in dialogue with what’s missing as much as with what’s there. Teasing out and sharing knowledge that would otherwise be lost or misrepresented.

BEST MOMENTS

“My wanting to connect to plants is because plants have the answers, and plants give us life as well.”

“I'm not really interested in making work about trauma. I'm interested in making work about emancipation and about healing.”

“She is not trying to claim a definitive narrative. Instead, she creates space for memory, reflection, and reverence. Her practice reminds us that art can be a form of cultural care and repair.”

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://charmainewatkiss.com

https://www.instagram.com/mswatkiss

HOST BIO

With over 35 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She has sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals.

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Ceri Hand Coaching Membership: Group coaching, live art surgeries, exclusive masterclasses, portfolio reviews, weekly challenges. Access our library of content and resource hub anytime and enjoy special discounts within a vibrant community of peers and professionals. Ready to transform your art career? Join today!

https://cerihand.com/membership/

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Unlock Your Artworld Network Self Study Course

Our self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive in the art world today.

https://cerihand.com/courses/unlock_your_artworld_network/

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Book a Discovery Call

To schedule a personalised 1-2-1 coaching session with Ceri or explore our group coaching options, simply email us at [email protected]

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Discover Your Extraordinary Creativity

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This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/

You leave the event. At first, it’s fine. And then, somewhere between the coat rack and the journey home, it starts -  That conversation, that sentence, that moment you wish you could rewind. Why did I say that? That sounded awkward. I should’ve said something else. They probably think I’m ….

And just like that, the whole night begins to shift. Not as it happened, but as a story about what you got wrong. We’ve been building this over the last few episodes: what stops you going, what happens when you’re in the room, how you see yourself when you’re there. This is what happens afterwards - the replay, the spiral.  

This isn’t reflection. It’s rumination. And if you’re a creative person, you are particularly good at it, because your job is to imagine, to create meaning, to connect dots, to tell stories. Memory and imagination sit very close together in the brain. 

So, when something feels uncomfortable, you don’t just remember it. You reconstruct it. You fill in the gaps, you add interpretation, you build a narrative. 

And that narrative feels real, even when it’s not accurate.  

Today, I unpack why your post‑event spiral feels so convincing, how it quietly keeps you out of the rooms you want to be in, and share 3 practical ways to interrupt the loop so you can follow up and show up without the cringe.

KEY TAKEAWAYS


Artists rarely just leave an event. They are brilliant at rewriting it. That one sentence, that one look becomes: “I got that wrong.” “They weren’t interested.” Not because it happened that way, but because your brain decided it did.


When a warped version of how the night went is the only one you listen to, it doesn’t just make you cringe - it quietly edits your future. You don’t follow up, you don’t go back, you stay out of rooms you should be in - your career stalls.


Subtly shifting how you think about an event is all that is needed to get things back on track.

BEST MOMENTS

“Rumination is not about solving problems. It's about trying to reduce uncertainty and emotional discomfort - the mind loops not to find truth but to try and regain control.”

“The shift is - change your relationship to the thought. Instead of I got that wrong, try I'm having the thought that I got that wrong.”

“Give yourself a more grounded version of the event.”

PODCAST HOST BIO

With over 35 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She has sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals.

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Ceri Hand Coaching Membership: Group coaching, live art surgeries, exclusive masterclasses, portfolio reviews, weekly challenges. Access our library of content and resource hub anytime and enjoy special discounts within a vibrant community of peers and professionals. Ready to transform your art career? Join today!

https://cerihand.com/membership/

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Unlock Your Artworld Network Self Study Course

Our self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive in the art world today.

https://cerihand.com/courses/unlock_your_artworld_network/

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Book a Discovery Call Today

To schedule a personalised 1-2-1 coaching session with Ceri or explore our group coaching options, simply email us at [email protected]

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Discover Your Extraordinary Creativity

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This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk

Today’s episode takes us out of the white cube and into the open air.

My guest is Sarah Carrington, Director of The Line, the public art trail connecting Greenwich to Stratford along the waterways of East London. If you’ve ever stumbled across an unexpected sculpture beside a canal, or discovered art while simply walking through the city, then you already understand the quiet magic of what The Line does.

With more than two decades working across curating, public art and cultural strategy, Sarah has helped shape an organisation dedicated to bringing art into people’s everyday lives. In this conversation, we explore what it really takes to bring ambitious public artworks into being, how commissions evolve over years, and how artists can begin building relationships with organisations like The Line.

If you’re curious about working in the public realm or simply love the idea of discovering art as you move through the city, this episode offers a rare glimpse behind the scenes.

And Sarah and I are also inviting you to meet us in person.

On Monday 13 July 2026, we’ll be hosting a special Membership event at Cody Dock, where Sarah will introduce the thinking behind The Line, share insights into commissioning public art, and highlight key works along the route before we walk together through the sculptures.

If that sounds like your kind of day, please do click the link in the show notes to join the Membership or visit cerihand.com to join us.

For now, settle in and enjoy this conversation with Sarah Carrington.

KEY TAKEAWAYS


When art lives in the places we walk every day, like The Line does, it stops being somewhere we “go” and becomes something we live alongside. The work comes alive on the viewers terms.


The best public artworks don’t just decorate a place. They provoke questions. They connect people. They create moments where strangers stop, look, and talk to one another.


Public art is a long game: you build relationships, stay with it, and you don’t treat the first “no” as the final word - you innovate and adapt.

BEST MOMENTS

“When they come to The Line, they connect with one another, and they connect with themselves in a new way.”

“That great public art doesn’t appear overnight. Behind every sculpture or installation, you encounter in the landscape are years of thinking, research, partnerships, and conversations.”

EPISODE RESOURCES

https://the-line.org

HOST BIO

With over 35 years in the art world, Ceri has worked closely with leading artists and arts professionals, managed public and private galleries and charities, and curated more than 250 exhibitions and events. She has sold artworks to major museums and private collectors and commissioned thousands of works across diverse media, from renowned artists such as John Akomfrah, Pipilotti Rist, Rafael Lozano-Hemmer and Vito Acconci. Now, she wants to share her extensive knowledge with you, so you can excel and achieve your goals.

**

Ceri Hand Coaching Membership: Group coaching, live art surgeries, exclusive masterclasses, portfolio reviews, weekly challenges. Access our library of content and resource hub anytime and enjoy special discounts within a vibrant community of peers and professionals. Ready to transform your art career? Join today!

https://cerihand.com/membership/

**

Unlock Your Artworld Network Self Study Course

Our self-study video course, "Unlock Your Artworld Network," offers a straightforward 5-step framework to help you build valuable relationships effortlessly. Gain the tools and confidence you need to create new opportunities and thrive in the art world today.

https://cerihand.com/courses/unlock_your_artworld_network/

**

Book a Discovery Call Today

To schedule a personalised 1-2-1 coaching session with Ceri or explore our group coaching options, simply email us at [email protected]

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Discover Your Extraordinary Creativity

Visit www.cerihand.com to learn how we can help you become an extraordinary creative.

This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/