Product Thinking

Melissa Perri
Product Thinking
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  • Product Thinking

    Episode 269: Continuous Discovery Habits That Actually Work

    20-05-2026 | 15 Min.
    Continuous discovery sounds simple and breaks down constantly in practice. In this compilation episode of the Product Thinking Podcast, Melissa Perri brings together three perspectives on what it actually takes to build the habit and why slowing down on discovery is still the fastest path to shipping the right thing.
    Teresa Torres, author of Continuous Discovery Habits, breaks down the structure underneath every method: outcome, opportunity, and solution. Teams doing this right never have to stop and replan. Christina Wodtke, lecturer at Stanford and formerly at Zynga, follows with the weekly playtesting rhythm she now teaches.
    Julia Austin, former senior lecturer at Harvard Business School, closes the episode by pushing back on the temptation to skip discovery in the age of AI. Her 80/20 rule: spend most of your time on foundation work, because the false security AI offers cannot replace real conversations with real customers.

    You'll hear us talk about:
    The structure underneath every discovery method
    Teresa Torres walks through the three-part backbone of all discovery work: outcome, opportunity, and solution. She explains why teams doing this right never have to stop and replan: the next roadmap item emerges from ongoing customer conversations, not annual planning exercises.
    Building a weekly testing rhythm that sticks
    Christina Wodtke describes the weekly playtesting rhythm she carried from Zynga into her Stanford classes. She also walks through the scaffolded path from solo testing to designers, friends and family, and finally strangers, so teams build the muscle without exposing rough work too soon.
    Going slow on discovery in the age of AI
    Julia Austin makes the case for spending 80% of your time on foundation work and discovery before building anything. She explains why the temptation to skip this step in the age of AI is a trap, and why products that fail and get blamed on marketing usually failed in discovery first.

    Episode resources:
    Try Granola today: http://granola.ai/productinstitute
    (Use the code PRODUCTINSTITUTE to get 3 months free)
    Check our courses: https://productinstitute.com/
    Episode 30: Understanding Continuous Discovery With Teresa Torreshttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-30-teresa-torres
    Episode 226: Why Every Product Team Needs a Playtesting Mindset with Christina Wodtkehttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-226-christina-wotdke-game-design
    Episode 231: Laying the Groundwork for Startup Success with Julia Austinhttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-231-julia-austin-startup-success-idea
    Teresa Torres on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/teresatorres/
    Christina Wodtke on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinawodtke/
    Julia Austin on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliaaustin/
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    Episode 268: Rethinking What Done Means in Product Ops

    06-05-2026 | 25 Min.
    What does it mean for a product to actually be “done”? Not code in production, but customers buying, using, and loving it. In this compilation episode of the Product Thinking Podcast, Melissa Perri brings together three product leaders to explore the systems that make whole product launches consistent.
    Trisha Price, then Chief Product Officer at Pendo, argues for shifting the team's definition of done from "code complete" to "whole product complete." She reframes product marketing as a strategic voice in discovery, not a translation layer at launch, and shares how cadences keep the work moving.
    Kate Towsey, an independent research ops advisor with experience at BBC and Atlassian, frames organizational knowledge as water that needs a dam to stop it leaking away. Jessica Soroky, then Senior Director of Product Operations at Pendo, closes with what whole product launch and cadences look like in practice.

    You'll hear us talk about:
    Whole product complete, not just code complete
    Trisha Price on shifting the definition of done from "code shipped" to "customers using and loving the product." She explains why a feature isn't done until product marketing, support, sales enablement, and go-to-market are aligned, and how product ops orchestrates the launch.
    Knowledge as a managed asset
    Kate Towsey on why organizations claim knowledge is their most valuable asset but let it leak through tributaries no one is mapping. She lays out how research ops, product ops, and design ops can work as one system for capturing and reusing what teams learn.
    Cadences that keep product orgs aligned
    Jessica Soroky on the operating cadences that make whole product launches predictable. She walks through Pendo's six-week product impact meetings, monthly roadmap reviews, and weekly leadership data rituals that reduce surprises and keep strategy connected to customer behavior.

    Episode resources:
    Check our courses: https://productinstitute.com/
    Try Granola today: http://granola.ai/productinstitute
    (Use the code PRODUCTINSTITUTE to get 3 months free)
    Episode 184: Building Products for Product Managers with Trisha Pricehttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/2024/8/14/episode-184-building-products-for-product-managers-with-trisha-price?rq=trisha Price
    Episode 208: Scaling Research Ops to Drive Organizational Change with Kate Towseyhttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-208-kate-towsey-research-ops?rq=Kate Towsey
    Episode 217: Behind the Scenes of Pendo's Product Operations Evolution with Jessica Sorokyhttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-217-jessica-soroky-pendo-product-operations?rq=Jessica Soroky
    Trisha Price on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/trisha-price-3063081/
    Kate Towsey on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katetowsey/
    Jessica Soroky on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicasoroky/
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    Episode 267: How OKRs Become Outputs Instead of Outcomes

    22-04-2026 | 20 Min.
    OKRs are one of the most misunderstood frameworks in product. They turn into renamed roadmaps, copy-paste cascades, and measures of output instead of real outcomes. In this Product Thinking Podcast compilation, Melissa Perri brings together four leaders who share what it takes to make OKRs actually work.
    Hugo Froes, then head of product operations at OLX, shares how splitting OKRs into discovery, build, and outcome types gives teams a more honest way to track progress without losing sight of what needs to ship.
    Jeff Gothelf and Josh Seiden of Sense & Respond Learning explain why key results must measure behavior change and why cascading OKRs is critical thinking, not copy-paste. Anish Bhimani, then CPO at JPMorgan Chase Commercial Banking, shares how his org went from 341 key results to the handful that actually move the business.

    You'll hear us talk about:
    Rethinking how OKR types work
    Hugo Froes explains how OLX broke OKRs into discovery, build, and outcome types so teams could stay flexible without losing sight of what actually ships. The approach creates space for parallel tracks of discovery, build, and launch, instead of waiting a quarter to see any progress.
    What makes a key result actually meaningful
    Jeff Gothelf and Josh Seiden argue that a key result must measure behavior change, not a feature or launch date. If you can rename your existing roadmap as an OKR without changing anything, the goal is wrong. Cascading OKRs is a critical thinking exercise, not copy-paste.
    Finding the difference makers inside a huge org
    Anish Bhimani shares what happened when he asked his JPMorgan Chase team to map their key results and got 341. Getting down to about 40 real difference makers is what made the framework drive focus. Lead with customer experience, and operational efficiency follows.

    Episode resources:
    Try Granola today: http://granola.ai/productinstitute
    Check our courses: https://productinstitute.com/
    Episode 216: Getting OKRs Right: Planning with Impact at OLX with Hugo Froeshttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-216-hugo-froes-okrs-product-operations
    Episode 156: OKRs for Focus and Alignment with Jeff Gothelf of Gothelf.co & Josh Seiden of Seiden Consultinghttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/2024/1/31/episode-156-okrs-for-focus-and-alignment-with-jeff-gothelf-of-gothelfco-amp-josh-seiden-of-seiden-consulting
    Episode 144: Banking 2.0 or How to Drive Change and Scale in Financial Organizations with Anish Bhimanihttps://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/2023/11/8/episode-144-banking-20-or-how-to-drive-change-and-scale-in-financial-organizations-with-anish-bhimani-managing-director-and-chief-product-officer-at-jpmorgan-chase-commercial-banking
    Hugo Froes on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/hugofroes/
    Jeff Gothelf on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/gothelf/
    Josh Seiden on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jseiden/
    Anish Bhimani on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/anishbhimani/
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    Episode 266: Building for Builders

    08-04-2026 | 16 Min.
    What does it take to keep product teams focused on meaningful work? In this compilation episode, Melissa Perri brings together three product leaders to explore how to cut through overhead, dig into real problems, and resist the pull of shiny technology.
    Nan Yu, Head of Product at Linear, shares how clunky tools burden PMs with admin work and how his team uncovers real problems behind feature requests. Andrew Davidson, SVP of Product at MongoDB, explains what makes developers a uniquely demanding audience to build for.
    Jody Bailey, CPTO at Stack Overflow, reflects on what went wrong when companies rushed to ship AI without solving real user problems. Together, these leaders show that great product work starts with understanding real people in real moments.

    You'll hear us talk about:
    Reducing PM administrative overhead
    Nan Yu explains how poorly designed tools push admin work onto PMs. When engineering tools are too clunky, developers disengage and PMs end up doing data entry instead of talking to customers. Speed and directness in tooling keep teams focused on real value.
    Uncovering real problems behind feature requests
    Nan shares Linear's approach: anchor every request in a specific moment. His team asks customers when they last felt the need for a feature and what actually happened. This often reveals that the real problem differs from the original ask.
    Staying problem-focused in the rush to adopt AI
    Jody Bailey describes the rush companies felt when generative AI emerged and the mistake of shipping AI solutions before identifying real problems. He shares how Stack Overflow is refocusing on core strengths and expanding who it serves.

    Episode resources:
    Try Granola today: http://granola.ai/productinstitute
    Check our courses: https://productinstitute.com/
    Episode 233: How Linear Builds Tools Developers Actually Want with Nan Yu
    https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-233-linear-ai-nan-yu
    Episode 209: From Databases to Developer Platforms: The MongoDB Story with Andrew Davidson
    https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-209-andrew-davidson-databases-platforms
    Episode 239: Navigating the AI Shift at Stack Overflow with Jody Bailey
    https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-239-stack-overflow-ai
    Jody Bailey on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodybailey/
    Nan Yu on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/thenanyu/
    Andrew Davidson on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewad/
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    Episode 265: How Marketplace Teams Decide What to Build

    25-03-2026 | 30 Min.
    Creating great product organizations takes more than setting roadmaps. It requires clear priorities, shared decision-making, and a strong sense of what makes the business uniquely valuable. In this episode, Melissa Perri brings together insights from three product leaders on how teams can create focus, alignment, and clarity as they scale.
    You’ll hear from Kristin Dorsett, Chief Product Officer at Viator at the time, on balancing top-down priorities with bottom-up autonomy and why doing fewer things at once leads to more meaningful progress. Craig Saldanha, Chief Product Officer at Yelp, explains how explicit product principles help teams make better decisions and stay aligned, especially in a two-sided marketplace.
    Mauricio Monico reflects on lessons from eBay and Wish, including the risks of copying competitors, the importance of explaining strategy clearly across the organization, and why turnarounds often begin by fixing marketplace fundamentals before chasing growth. Together, these perspectives offer a practical look at how product leaders create alignment without losing adaptability.
    You’ll hear us talk about:
    Balancing strategy and team autonomy
    Kristin Dorsett explains how her organization combines top-down company priorities with team-level ownership. Some teams are aligned to a small number of company-wide big bets, while others are given lightweight charters and room to define their own roadmap. The conversation shows how strategic direction and local autonomy can work together when expectations are clear.
    Why doing fewer things leads to better outcomes
    A major theme in Kristin’s segment is the discipline of focus. She describes the company’s evolution from trying to pursue dozens of major initiatives at once to narrowing that list down to just three. The result was stronger alignment across departments and better progress on the work that mattered most.
    Product principles and marketplace decision-making
    Craig Saldanha shares how Yelp codified its product culture into a set of decision-making tenets. He discusses how those principles help teams handle trade-offs, move faster on reversible decisions, and stay thoughtful on harder-to-reverse choices. He also explains how Yelp thinks about marketplace dynamics, consumer and business needs, and the flywheel that drives sustainable growth.
    Why companies lose their way when they copy competitors
    Mauricio Monico reflects on how eBay struggled when it tried to imitate Amazon instead of leaning into its own value proposition. He also walks through Wish’s turnaround, where the initial focus was not growth but restoring marketplace health through better merchant standards, product quality, and delivery performance. His examples show why clarity, differentiation, and strong fundamentals matter more than reactive strategy.
    Episode resources:
    Try Granola today: http://granola.ai/productinstitute
    Check our courses: https://productinstitute.com/
    Episode 221: Balancing Strategy and Execution at Scale with Kristin Dorsett:https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/episode-221-kristin-viator-strategy-experimentation
    Episode 162: Product Roadmap: Building a Platform for the Next Decade with Craig Saldanha, Chief Product Officer at Yelp:https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/2024/3/13/episode-162-product-roadmap-building-a-platform-for-the-next-decade-with-craig-saldanha-chief-product-officer-at-yelp
    Episode 158: Turning the Tide with Mauricio Monico’s Lessons from eBay, Facebook, and Google:https://www.produxlabs.com/product-thinking-blog/2024/2/14/episode-158-turning-the-tide-with-mauricio-monicos-lessons-from-ebay-facebook-and-google
    Kristin Dorsett on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristindorsett/
    Craig Saldanha on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigsaldanha/
    Mauricio Monico on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/mspmonico/
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