Change Signal: Modern Change Management that Works
Michael Bungay Stanier | Modern Change Management Practitioner

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Why You Build Belonging Before Belief| Hahrie Han| Modern Change Management & Leading Change
12-08-2026 | 35 Min.Here are three big insights that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Hahrie Han:
Are you creating value or just convenience?;
Does belonging come before belief in your organization?; and
Are you building agency or just compliance?
Hahrie Han, political scientist at Johns Hopkins University and author of How Organizations Develop Activists and Undivided, has spent her career studying how people build power that lasts. She brings a sharp, human perspective on what drives genuine participation and why small, intentional acts often change systems more than sweeping plans.
The conversation explores why engagement depends less on ease and more on meaning, how “radical belonging” can transform even divided communities, and how leaders can use small, safe failures to build confidence and agency across teams.
You’ll also hear practical tools for turning involvement into influence — designing scaffolding that helps people learn from risk and own their results.
If you’re leading transformation, culture, or change projects in a big organization, this conversation offers fresh, grounded insight into how participation turns into durable power.
Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. This is the podcast for transformational leaders seeking modern change mastery.
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💚Leave a review on SpotifyWhat Really Moves/Changes a System| Helen Bevan| Modern Change Management & Leading Change
05-08-2026 | 29 Min.Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Helen Bevan:
Is your belonging actually just assimilation?
Are your relationships stronger than your strategy?
And what fear is your system quietly running on?
Helen Bevan has spent decades leading large-scale transformation inside the NHS, and she brings that rare blend of deep experience and fresh thinking. She makes a compelling case that the real levers of change aren’t the ones we normally obsess over—plans, resources, or methodologies—but the relational fabric that holds a system together.
We talk about belonging as a core condition for change, and why the best leaders know how to help people both “belong” and “unbelong” as the system shifts. Helen also shares the surprising results of a major five-year transformation experiment, where social capital — not expertise or investment — predicted which organizations moved forward and which fell behind.
And we explore agency: why you can’t give it, why people have to build it themselves, and how leaders can create the routines that make that possible. If you’re navigating complexity, leading transformation, or trying to spark change in a large organization, this conversation offers practical insight into how change actually travels through a system.
Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.
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29-07-2026 | 21 Min.Here are three questions this Change Signal conversation asks:
What freedom are you not seeing yet?
Where can you safely loosen control?
When does agency become dangerous?
In this episode, I talk with Cate Hall about agency — what it is, why it matters, and why it’s more complicated than simply telling people to “take ownership.” Cate defines agency as the ability to see and act on degrees of freedom other people overlook, which is a powerful idea for anyone leading change, transformation, or large-scale organizational work.
We get into how leaders can become more agentic without becoming reckless, especially inside complex organizations where not everything can be an experiment. Cate offers the idea of “selective agency”: finding the places where iteration, risk, and movement are actually possible.
And then things get especially interesting. If you want more agency from your people, you have to tolerate them doing things imperfectly. And if you want more agency in the system, you also have to ask: agency in service of what?
Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.
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💚Leave a review on SpotifyHow AI Changes Change Leadership | Brian Evergreen | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
22-07-2026 | 26 Min.Here are three questions from this Change Signal conversation:
Are we chasing AI, or value?
What future are we actually building?
What would have to be true to get there?
In this episode, I talk with Brian Evergreen, author of Autonomous Transformation, about what change leadership looks like when AI is moving faster than most organizations can think.
Brian makes a wonderfully useful distinction: your job is probably not to become an AI expert. Your job is to understand value — for your customers, your organization, and the wider system — and then partner with the right expertise to create it.
We explore why “AI-first” can be as silly as saying “hammer-first,” and why autonomous transformation needs a different playbook from digital transformation. The work starts with vision, not tools.
Brian also shares a practical way to map change: put the vision at the top, ask “what would have to be true?”, and make the strategy visible enough for people to move with it.
For senior leaders working on change, transformation, AI strategy, or large-scale organizational change, this is a grounded, clarifying conversation about building the future without drowning in the noise.
Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.
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🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)
The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly
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💚Leave a review on SpotifyIs Your Change Too Big? | Jana Werner | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
15-07-2026 | 29 Min.Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation:
What intelligence are you wasting?
Who really owns the change?
What needs to go first?
In this episode, I talk with Jana Werner about why so much change management still feels like something done to people, rather than with them.
Jana argues that large organizations often hire smart, capable people — and then design transformation in ways that sideline their judgment, curiosity, and ownership. We explore why top-down change may feel faster at first, but often becomes slower because it doesn’t stick.
We also get into one of the trickier questions in change leadership: how do you build genuine agency? Jana’s view is that ownership has to be both given and taken — and many organizations have quietly trained people out of taking it.
This conversation is practical, thoughtful, and nicely skeptical of the giant transformation program. If you lead change in a large organization, Jana offers a more human and more usable alternative: clarify purpose, remove friction, start smaller, and let change become a habit woven into the work.
Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.
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🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)
The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly
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Change management is harder than ever. Organizations face more complexity, more uncertainty, and more pressure to deliver successful change than at any point in recent memory.
Most leaders respond by pushing harder. Others search for the latest model, framework, or methodology and hope the tool will solve the problem.
Neither guarantees change adoption.
Successful change happens when people are ready, stakeholders are engaged, leaders show up effectively, and change approaches fit the reality of the work. That's what Change Signal explores.
Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and a student of organizational change for more than thirty years, talks with leading thinkers, experienced practitioners, and senior leaders to uncover what works, what doesn't, and what modern change management looks like in practice.
Each episode explores the challenges behind leading successful change, building change readiness, strengthening stakeholder engagement, improving change adoption, applying change frameworks, refining change methodology, and measuring change effectiveness.
Whether you're leading a change project, supporting organizational change, or helping teams navigate uncertainty, you'll find practical ideas, tested approaches, and evidence-based insights you can put to work immediately.
The goal is simple: help change practitioners and change leaders make change more successful, more sustainable, and less overwhelming.
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