The Dave Gerhardt Show (from Exit Five)

#339 | Dave is joined by Brandon Redlinger, former VP of Marketing and co-founder of The Forge, for a conversation about how to build an ABM program that works. They cover how to know if your company is ready for ABM, how to select and score target accounts, and why most teams fail by spreading themselves across too many accounts too fast. Brandon also shares the plays that generate real pipeline, how to think about measurement without overcomplicating it, and why ABM and demand gen shouldn't be two separate functions.

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Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.
Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.

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Dave is joined by Davang Shah, VP of Marketing at LinkedIn, for a conversation about what actually works with LinkedIn ads right now. They cover why brand and performance aren't two separate strategies, how to think about measurement beyond last-click attribution, and why 95% of your buyers aren't in market at any given time. Davang also shares the data behind thought leader ads, what most marketers get wrong about the buyer journey, and how he's leading his own team through the AI shift.
Timestamps

(00:00) - The stat that explains why B2B marketing is so hard

(03:14) - Davang's background: 17 years at Google, now VP Marketing at LinkedIn

(03:41) - The state of B2B marketing in 2026 and what CMOs actually care about

(06:22) - How AI search is changing buyer behavior (94% of B2B buyers use LLMs)

(09:01) - Why LinkedIn became a real social network, not just a professional one

(10:25) - Thought leader ads: what they are and why they outperform single image ads

(13:29) - Why brand and performance aren't two separate things

(16:40) - How to build a full-funnel LinkedIn ads strategy

(21:26) - The measurement problem: 211-day deal cycles and 22 decision-makers

(23:20) - CRM sync, Conversions API, and Company Intelligence explained

(30:01) - How AI will change the way marketers run ads (and what LinkedIn is building)

(36:12) - Making the case for keeping marketers: creativity, human connection, and trust

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Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.
Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.

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#337 | Dave sits down with Erin May, CMO at User Interviews, who joined as the company's first marketer with a two-page website and zero recurring revenue and helped grow it to $20M+ ARR over eight years. Erin breaks down how she picked one niche audience and went all in, why she led with ungated content, and how she built a quarterly operating rhythm around "Bangers," tentpole marketing moments that get the entire company involved. They also get into podcasting ROI, what she'd do differently with AI-driven search today, and why she thinks the brand vs. demand debate is just noise.
Timestamps

(00:00) - Intro: 8 years, one niche, a two-page website, and $20M ARR

(05:16) - How Erin identified the right audience to go all in on

(07:18) - Building the UX Research Field Guide and the early SEO strategy

(09:47) - Why she went ungated and still captured 13% email conversion

(13:28) - What she'd do differently with content strategy today

(16:04) - Stacking channels one at a time instead of doing everything at once

(18:43) - How to plan for the next phase of growth before you need it

(21:14) - Introducing Bangers: the quarterly marketing OS

(23:42) - Top of funnel vs. bottom of funnel Bangers

(30:25) - How LinkedIn and employee advocacy fit into the Banger playbook

(34:44) - Why Erin started a podcast seven years ago when no one else was

(38:07) - How to think about podcast ROI when attribution is fuzzy

(40:59) - AI expectations for her marketing team

(45:27) - Why the brand vs. demand debate is stupid

(48:39) - The real secret: making your customer the hero

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Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.
Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.

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Eoin Clancy (VP of Growth at AirOps), Connor Beaulieu (Senior SEO Manager at LegalZoom), and Adina Timar (Head of AEO at Weflow) join this live session to talk about how to create high-quality content with AI. Connor walks through a workflow his team built at LegalZoom to automatically source expert quotes.. Adina shows how she rebuilds competitor pages from scratch using sales calls, LLM data, and live competitor analysis. And Eoin shares the research behind why content quality is now the single biggest lever in AI search. If you want to see what content engineering actually looks like in practice, this one is for you.

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AirOps - The content engineering platform that helps marketers create and maintain high-quality, on-brand content that wins AI search. Go to airops.com/exitfive to start creating content that reflects your expertise, stays true to your brand, and is engineered for performance across human and AI discovery.
Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.
Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.

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#335 | Jeff Hardison, now VP of Product Marketing at Sanity, joined Dave when he was running product marketing at Calendly to break down what the product marketing role should actually look like inside a B2B company. They get into how Jeff structured his team to serve both a PLG motion and an enterprise sales team at the same time, why he hires for specialization instead of making everyone a generalist, and how he thinks about measuring a function that touches almost every team in the company. Jeff also shares his take on positioning and messaging, how to run product launches that actually rally the company, and the two interview questions he uses to figure out if someone will be happy in a product marketing role.

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AirOps - The content engineering platform that helps marketers create and maintain high-quality, on-brand content that wins AI search. Go to airops.com/exitfive to start creating content that reflects your expertise, stays true to your brand, and is engineered for performance across human and AI discovery.
Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.
Convertr - The enterprise lead data management platform that sits between your lead sources and your CRM, automatically validating, enriching, and standardizing every lead before it touches your systems. Check them out at convertr.io/exitfive.
Compound Growth Marketing - A full-funnel demand generation agency that helps high-growth cybersecurity, DevOps, and enterprise software companies drive more pipeline through AI SEO, paid media, and go-to-market engineering. Visit compoundgrowthmarketing.com and tell them Dave sent you.

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