Politics is a dirty business. Sometimes being feared is the influence you need because access is not the problem.
Politicians say "we'll take care of this." Gretchen Gailey has a different approach: stab them in the back, push them down the stairs, and take credit for the fall. It's time to put fear behind cannabis.
She spent 20 years on Capitol Hill. She's watched cannabis show up once a year for fly-ins, throw money at the wrong politicians, and wonder why nothing changes. This episode breaks down why incrementalism is the only path, why banking matters more than you think, and why the industry needs to stop picking out curtains when it hasn't built a basement.
This week we sit down with Gretchen Gailey:
Stab them in the back politics
Curtains before basement problem
Project Champion playbook
Timestamps:
00:00 - The industry's fundamental misunderstanding about Washington politics
02:35 - Challenges with incrementalism versus desire for rapid change
04:47 - Supporting pro-cannabis politicians like Cynthia Loomis
06:45 - The role of education and public awareness campaigns
10:06 - Building a basic regulatory foundation: banking, safe products, and rescheduling
13:23 - The limitations of state-led models and the need for federal coordination
15:50 - The importance of transparency and federal standards for consumer safety
18:43 - The influence of political operatives and the importance of direct advocacy
22:51 - Using industry tools and data to inform policy and educate policymakers
26:15 - The significance of Congressional engagement and how to make cannabis an urgent issue
30:10 - The importance of political will and executive orders in advancing reform
34:40 - The disconnects within Washington and how industry can better influence policy
37:19 - Opportunities in leveraging symbolism like Veterans issues and Congressional events
41:14 - The disconnect between access and influence, and how to effectively make the case
44:40 - The necessity of creative strategies, public pressure, and celebrity involvement
50:21 - Successful stories: case of Cory Booker and the impact of direct constituent advocacy
52:16 - Final thoughts: how to stay engaged and educate the industry and policymakers
Summary:
In this episode, Gretchen Gailey shares over 20 years of experience navigating Washington's complex cannabis legislation. We explore how industry players can effectively engage with policymakers, the importance of foundational regulations, and strategies to accelerate federal progress on cannabis reform.
Guest Links:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gretchengailey
https://projectchampion.org/
https://x.com/GretchenGailey
Our Links
Bryan Fields on Twitter
Kellan Finney on Twitter
The Dime on Twitter
Extraction Teams: Want to cut costs and get more out of every run? Unlock hidden revenue by extracting more from the same input—with Newton Insights.
At Eighth Revolution (8th Rev), we provide services from capital to cannabinoid and everything in between in the cannabinoid industry.
The Dime is a top 5% most shared global podcast
The Dime is a top 10 Cannabis Podcast
The Dime has a New Website. Shhhh its not finished.
🎥 YouTube: The Dime
📸 Instagram: The Dime
https://www.newton-insights.com/
Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Netherlands